geneva_convenience comments on Graham Platner said he joined the marines to kill people, and had an excellent experience doing so.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 13 points 1 year ago (23 children)

How about not running a blackwater mercenary as the "leftist candidate"?

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[–] gravitywell@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (22 children)

Would be nice, but id rather a potentially reformed mercenary then a geriatric or a republican. Seems like the DNC just doesnt want to run candidates that can actually win.

At least the guy acknowledged wrongdoing, and if theres still a year to go thats plenty of time to get someone better to run against hkme.

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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 9 points 1 year ago (21 children)

He didn't acknowledge any wrongdoing. Why do people keep claiming this?

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[–] gravitywell@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (20 children)

There is a video of him owning up to both the tattoo and the reddit posts being mistakes, so thats pro why people keep claiming it. If the apology is genuine or not is a different question.

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[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

Ah yes, saying sorry makes up for wanting to kill people and then actually doing it.

Let all the serial killers who apologize out of death row everyone! They're definitely reformed too, they apologized after all!

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[–] gravitywell@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Instead of giving this dude more attention and name recognition lets hear some better alternatives to run against him, or is it more important to complain and virtue signal?

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[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

COINTELPRO's any opposition movement

"You're not allowed to complain if you can't offer an alternative, stop blaming the democrats for running blackwater mercs who got off on killing people, improvised mortars in high-density urban areas even after the US military banned the practice and have nazi tattoos and compete with the established parties yourself! Also voting third party is a waste and splinters the opposition to Trump..."

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[–] gravitywell@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Are you saying wanting alternative solutions is part of cointelpro? Im not sure i understand the significance here or what point you are trying to make.

If there are other options available why is that a bad thing to focus on? Or why is it better to be focused on negatives about one person this far out from an election?

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[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

I'm saying that after the FBI does its utmost to disrupt opposition programs at the behest of the republican and democratic establishment, using the fact that there is no viable opposition and blaming the individuals for not coming up with one, in order to silence complaints about the establishment candidates is pretty shitty.

And just because COINTELPRO ended, does not mean the practice did. They just got cleverer about it.

As for the reason why to focus on negatives this far out from an election, why are democrats focusing on the positives this far out from an election? This is just a reaction to the dems trodding out potential candidates, presumably in order to test the waters. Another example is gruesome newsom, I'm already seeing the resignated libs saying shit like "well I don't like him, I don't agree with him and I'll be the first in line to demand a better candidate but if they run him I will vote for him because it's blue no matter who".

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[–] gravitywell@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago

It seems like the democrat establishment doesnt want him to win the primary.

Its really weird the political spectrum of people attacking him seems to be all over the place but im guessing almost none of them are actual voters in maine.

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[+] Diva@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (13 children)

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[–] gravitywell@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Yes,

I will never, ever vote to send Americans into a pointless war. Everything we went through in Iraq can be laid at the feet of those in Washington, like Senator Collins, who knew better but voted “Yes” on a disastrous, deadly war.

But im more concerned with why the conversation is how "bad" and not possibly able to evolve or be forgiven this guy is instead of just finding someone better to step up.

The amount of Astroturfing against the guy a year out from the election is extremely sus.

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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Where did he apologize for murdering Iraqis?

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[–] gravitywell@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

How do these goal posts keep shifting...

Platner’s yearbook superlative at John Bapst Memorial High School in Bangor shows him holding up a sign that said Palestine, Tibet and other regions of the world should be free. He was quoted in the Bangor Daily News as an 18-year-old protesting then-President George W. Bush over his Iraq policies when Bush spoke at the Bangor airport in 2002.

“I started yelling, ‘Don’t attack Iraq. If our best generals tell us not to go to war, why should we,'” he said after being kicked out of the event. “Bush looked right at me and people started yelling for me to shut up, but he saw me.”

He doesnt seem to have been a supporter of the iraq war, not sure if maybe you mean Afganis, but might want to fix that in whatever document you copy and paste replies from. Its still bad but i dont think it would cost them many votes in that part of the country.

If you arent just astroturfing Id love to hear who is currently in the race that you agree with more.

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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 4 points 1 year ago

Protests against Iraq war and then joins it to kill brown people

I guess platitudes are really all you need.

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[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

Graham Platner said he joined the marines to kill people, and had an excellent experience doing so.

Thats literally the title. Him being a serial murderer is what this post is about. You just keep trying to distract from it and then blame people for "shifting the goalposts".

Also if he is not a supporter of the war in Iraq why did go on tour there like 4 times??

Why did he devise a method to use mk19 grenade launchers to evade detection by command after being ordered to stop using mortars in high density urban areas in Iraq. https://xcancel.com/BenMcCombe/status/1982083117709176945

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[–] gravitywell@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 year ago

Im literally just responding to the question asked about iraq.

Also if he is not a supporter of the war in Iraq why did go on tour there like 4 times??

I dont think soldiers get a huge say in where they are sent. While i personally am not willing to do that kind of a job, it is a" job" for a heck of a lot of people and not really going to drive away voters in Maine.

I dont really see a ton of people defending the guy to begin with. Believing hes changed yes, overlooking problematic past yes, but im not seekng people defending his "wanting to kill" or trying to say nazi tattoos are acceptable.

Its just bizarre to me how much some people who clearly have no dog in the fight care so damn much about this guy.

Do you not realize this helps get his name out there and will be totally irrelevant by the time that primary happens? Or is that the intent here, get the bad stuff out of the way early so on six months everyone has moved on?

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

"Pointless" war is sus

I bet he thinks Afghanistan was justified.

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[+] Diva@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

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[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

astroturfing is when people with no organization keep complaining about candidates pushed by the DNC establishment.
Why dont they just run an opposition candidate instead of complaining about some nazi tattoo you can't even see smh...

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[–] bigpEE@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's .ml. You can't win when you're arguing with high school tankies

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[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago*

Bro just block this community and all the other popular .ml ones. Why did you even click on this thread? How does it benefit you?

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[–] gravitywell@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago

Yeah im not trying to argue, it just seems very inauthentic to me that people care this much about the guy when he hasnt even won a primary yet.

For folks who are pearl clutching over this dude do you live in maine and who is your prefered alternative? Youve got a year to find someone better so get at it!