▲ 107 ▼ An in-space construction firm says it can help build massive data centers in orbit (arstechnica.com) submitted 1 year ago by Apparatus@programming.dev to c/technology@lemmy.world 75 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago (14 children) If only they'd hired you, they would have known. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago (11 children) well any actual engineer who isn't trying to sell them will readily tell you that a datacenter in space is a very bad idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago (10 children) They'd better not try to sell them to anyone who has access to an engineer, then. Just a single engineer will bring the whole scheme crashing down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) and forget about running 4nm chips in space. shit has to be radiation hardened, which means bigger process nodes and higher energy cost, and lower speed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Another thing they probably didn't think of. Nobody's run chips in space before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) they did think of it. lots of people have. I just mentioned what was required. Rad hardened processors are usually 10 to 20 times slower than what we have on the surface permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago So don't use rad-hardened processors, put them in a radiation vault instead. Those become more mass-efficient the more hardware you're putting inside them. Really, I assure you the people proposing these things have put more thought and expertise into it than a bunch of random Fediverse commentators. permalink fedilink source parent [–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (5 children) for starters, at the loads they're running at, they have literally hundreds of gpu failures a day. How do you propose doing that in space? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Include spares. I hope they're reading this thread and taking notes, they probably didn't think of that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) and the infrastructure and robotics to replace them, of course. Assuming 200 nvidia H100 failures a day (conservativo, reality is worse) that's an extra ~340kg of weight you'd need to launch per day. Which is an extra 120 tons yearly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) So, one Starship launch per year. Doesn't sound like a problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) at least two, you can't stuff a rocket full of just gpus, you need something to actually dock and deliver the payload in space. So you need to launch at least 2 rockets (in a non-reusable configuration, so you need to pay for the whole rocket and the launch) to ship a bunch of gpus that are, at best, only 10% as fast as usual. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago Okay, two then. It's still cheap. in a non-reusable configuration Why do you say that? 120 tons is well within Block 4's projected capacity in reusable configuration. 240 tons is almost within it, even. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Edit: don't feed the troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago But he's so hungry. :( permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago (11 children) well any actual engineer who isn't trying to sell them will readily tell you that a datacenter in space is a very bad idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago (10 children) They'd better not try to sell them to anyone who has access to an engineer, then. Just a single engineer will bring the whole scheme crashing down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) and forget about running 4nm chips in space. shit has to be radiation hardened, which means bigger process nodes and higher energy cost, and lower speed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Another thing they probably didn't think of. Nobody's run chips in space before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) they did think of it. lots of people have. I just mentioned what was required. Rad hardened processors are usually 10 to 20 times slower than what we have on the surface permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago So don't use rad-hardened processors, put them in a radiation vault instead. Those become more mass-efficient the more hardware you're putting inside them. Really, I assure you the people proposing these things have put more thought and expertise into it than a bunch of random Fediverse commentators. permalink fedilink source parent [–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (5 children) for starters, at the loads they're running at, they have literally hundreds of gpu failures a day. How do you propose doing that in space? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Include spares. I hope they're reading this thread and taking notes, they probably didn't think of that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) and the infrastructure and robotics to replace them, of course. Assuming 200 nvidia H100 failures a day (conservativo, reality is worse) that's an extra ~340kg of weight you'd need to launch per day. Which is an extra 120 tons yearly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) So, one Starship launch per year. Doesn't sound like a problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) at least two, you can't stuff a rocket full of just gpus, you need something to actually dock and deliver the payload in space. So you need to launch at least 2 rockets (in a non-reusable configuration, so you need to pay for the whole rocket and the launch) to ship a bunch of gpus that are, at best, only 10% as fast as usual. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago Okay, two then. It's still cheap. in a non-reusable configuration Why do you say that? 120 tons is well within Block 4's projected capacity in reusable configuration. 240 tons is almost within it, even. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago (10 children) They'd better not try to sell them to anyone who has access to an engineer, then. Just a single engineer will bring the whole scheme crashing down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) and forget about running 4nm chips in space. shit has to be radiation hardened, which means bigger process nodes and higher energy cost, and lower speed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Another thing they probably didn't think of. Nobody's run chips in space before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) they did think of it. lots of people have. I just mentioned what was required. Rad hardened processors are usually 10 to 20 times slower than what we have on the surface permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago So don't use rad-hardened processors, put them in a radiation vault instead. Those become more mass-efficient the more hardware you're putting inside them. Really, I assure you the people proposing these things have put more thought and expertise into it than a bunch of random Fediverse commentators. permalink fedilink source parent [–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (5 children) for starters, at the loads they're running at, they have literally hundreds of gpu failures a day. How do you propose doing that in space? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Include spares. I hope they're reading this thread and taking notes, they probably didn't think of that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) and the infrastructure and robotics to replace them, of course. Assuming 200 nvidia H100 failures a day (conservativo, reality is worse) that's an extra ~340kg of weight you'd need to launch per day. Which is an extra 120 tons yearly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) So, one Starship launch per year. Doesn't sound like a problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) at least two, you can't stuff a rocket full of just gpus, you need something to actually dock and deliver the payload in space. So you need to launch at least 2 rockets (in a non-reusable configuration, so you need to pay for the whole rocket and the launch) to ship a bunch of gpus that are, at best, only 10% as fast as usual. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago Okay, two then. It's still cheap. in a non-reusable configuration Why do you say that? 120 tons is well within Block 4's projected capacity in reusable configuration. 240 tons is almost within it, even. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (3 children) and forget about running 4nm chips in space. shit has to be radiation hardened, which means bigger process nodes and higher energy cost, and lower speed permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Another thing they probably didn't think of. Nobody's run chips in space before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) they did think of it. lots of people have. I just mentioned what was required. Rad hardened processors are usually 10 to 20 times slower than what we have on the surface permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago So don't use rad-hardened processors, put them in a radiation vault instead. Those become more mass-efficient the more hardware you're putting inside them. Really, I assure you the people proposing these things have put more thought and expertise into it than a bunch of random Fediverse commentators. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Another thing they probably didn't think of. Nobody's run chips in space before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) they did think of it. lots of people have. I just mentioned what was required. Rad hardened processors are usually 10 to 20 times slower than what we have on the surface permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago So don't use rad-hardened processors, put them in a radiation vault instead. Those become more mass-efficient the more hardware you're putting inside them. Really, I assure you the people proposing these things have put more thought and expertise into it than a bunch of random Fediverse commentators. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) they did think of it. lots of people have. I just mentioned what was required. Rad hardened processors are usually 10 to 20 times slower than what we have on the surface permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago So don't use rad-hardened processors, put them in a radiation vault instead. Those become more mass-efficient the more hardware you're putting inside them. Really, I assure you the people proposing these things have put more thought and expertise into it than a bunch of random Fediverse commentators. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago So don't use rad-hardened processors, put them in a radiation vault instead. Those become more mass-efficient the more hardware you're putting inside them. Really, I assure you the people proposing these things have put more thought and expertise into it than a bunch of random Fediverse commentators. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (5 children) for starters, at the loads they're running at, they have literally hundreds of gpu failures a day. How do you propose doing that in space? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Include spares. I hope they're reading this thread and taking notes, they probably didn't think of that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) and the infrastructure and robotics to replace them, of course. Assuming 200 nvidia H100 failures a day (conservativo, reality is worse) that's an extra ~340kg of weight you'd need to launch per day. Which is an extra 120 tons yearly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) So, one Starship launch per year. Doesn't sound like a problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) at least two, you can't stuff a rocket full of just gpus, you need something to actually dock and deliver the payload in space. So you need to launch at least 2 rockets (in a non-reusable configuration, so you need to pay for the whole rocket and the launch) to ship a bunch of gpus that are, at best, only 10% as fast as usual. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago Okay, two then. It's still cheap. in a non-reusable configuration Why do you say that? 120 tons is well within Block 4's projected capacity in reusable configuration. 240 tons is almost within it, even. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io -2 points 1 year ago (4 children) Include spares. I hope they're reading this thread and taking notes, they probably didn't think of that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) and the infrastructure and robotics to replace them, of course. Assuming 200 nvidia H100 failures a day (conservativo, reality is worse) that's an extra ~340kg of weight you'd need to launch per day. Which is an extra 120 tons yearly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) So, one Starship launch per year. Doesn't sound like a problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) at least two, you can't stuff a rocket full of just gpus, you need something to actually dock and deliver the payload in space. So you need to launch at least 2 rockets (in a non-reusable configuration, so you need to pay for the whole rocket and the launch) to ship a bunch of gpus that are, at best, only 10% as fast as usual. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago Okay, two then. It's still cheap. in a non-reusable configuration Why do you say that? 120 tons is well within Block 4's projected capacity in reusable configuration. 240 tons is almost within it, even. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) and the infrastructure and robotics to replace them, of course. Assuming 200 nvidia H100 failures a day (conservativo, reality is worse) that's an extra ~340kg of weight you'd need to launch per day. Which is an extra 120 tons yearly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) So, one Starship launch per year. Doesn't sound like a problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) at least two, you can't stuff a rocket full of just gpus, you need something to actually dock and deliver the payload in space. So you need to launch at least 2 rockets (in a non-reusable configuration, so you need to pay for the whole rocket and the launch) to ship a bunch of gpus that are, at best, only 10% as fast as usual. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago Okay, two then. It's still cheap. in a non-reusable configuration Why do you say that? 120 tons is well within Block 4's projected capacity in reusable configuration. 240 tons is almost within it, even. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (2 children) So, one Starship launch per year. Doesn't sound like a problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) at least two, you can't stuff a rocket full of just gpus, you need something to actually dock and deliver the payload in space. So you need to launch at least 2 rockets (in a non-reusable configuration, so you need to pay for the whole rocket and the launch) to ship a bunch of gpus that are, at best, only 10% as fast as usual. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago Okay, two then. It's still cheap. in a non-reusable configuration Why do you say that? 120 tons is well within Block 4's projected capacity in reusable configuration. 240 tons is almost within it, even. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) at least two, you can't stuff a rocket full of just gpus, you need something to actually dock and deliver the payload in space. So you need to launch at least 2 rockets (in a non-reusable configuration, so you need to pay for the whole rocket and the launch) to ship a bunch of gpus that are, at best, only 10% as fast as usual. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago Okay, two then. It's still cheap. in a non-reusable configuration Why do you say that? 120 tons is well within Block 4's projected capacity in reusable configuration. 240 tons is almost within it, even. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago Okay, two then. It's still cheap. in a non-reusable configuration Why do you say that? 120 tons is well within Block 4's projected capacity in reusable configuration. 240 tons is almost within it, even. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Edit: don't feed the troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago But he's so hungry. :( permalink fedilink source parent