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[–] 27 points 1 year ago (14 children)

We need church without religion

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Depending on the community near you, Unitarian Universalists sometimes have basically that. I’ve been an atheist since I was four, but I have no problem with other people being religious and it was perfect for me. If you’re the type to be annoyed by people talking about the universe in a way that suggests the supernatural, you might not want to deal with even the UU’s very mild language. When I went as a kid, we learned about volcanoes in Sunday School, as a gauge for how religious they are.

    Or if you want evil church without religion, can I interest you in crossfit?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I jokingly asked my wife if she'd go to basically church but reading from Marx instead and despite neither of us being marxists it actually sounded like something we'd go to

    But also seriously look into if you have a local community center or library and what events they host. Stuff like that often struggles to find attendees

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I do think there's a special thing about church that is this bigger than yourself experience that you share with your community that just isn't quite replicated in events like art clubs or whatever, volunteering is probably closer

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    It's the fact that church comes with an actual presupposition that it isn't optional, while de facto being optional.

    Going to church (in contexts where denomination shopping isn't a thing at least) means going to a place where a person is not there to validate your particular perspective but instead often to tell you and everyone else in the group to do better, publicly, not because they're better but because they appeal to higher principles whose correctness is taken for granted buly the congregation.

    See also: the absolute brain lottery winners on the internet bitching that the pope isn't a real catholic for telling them they're bad catholics (arguably bad christians in general, definitely bad people) for dehumanising poor people and immigrants legal and illegal.

    I'm far from a catholic (that is, I'm actually a lapsed catholic if you ask the church, but I was never a believer, just born into it) but there just isn't a space where you're going to participate, respect the ethics and morals, still fall short of them, be chastised, and be forgiven, that doesn't involve some religious aspect.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I do think there's a special thing about church that is this bigger than yourself experience

    I'm pretty sure that's only the case if you're a believer. And, in general, people who aren't believers don't go to church, so you're selecting for a group of people who want to believe in something bigger than themselves.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    But that's the feeling that really bound people together when church was better attended, and that's the feeling that's so difficult to recreate in a secular way. Without that feeling it's just a social club. Which isn't bad thing, but it's not "church without religion".

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    That's like a car without wheels

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    We have those. They're called boats.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Correct, its a boat. If it had wheels, then it would be a car.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    If you throw a car without wheels into the water it probably won't float

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