Wait, why is there a Hasan stan community on Lemmy? Reddit is definitely not removing the debunking posts, they were stickied on Hasan's sub there for quite a while. Where is this getting removed from?
I can't believe we're still talking about this either, but sure.
Content creators and their fans became convinced that, in that moment, Piker pressed an off-screen button to violently shock Kaya, who – according to their telling of events – he has been secretly torturing for years. In the coming days, they reinforced their claims with clips in which Piker reached in a direction and Kaya, napping, did not make any noise but suddenly moved, as well as others in which Piker orders Kaya – clearly trained – to go back to her spot.
They "became convinced" because they studied the evidence from Hasan's own stream, including not just his refusal to do logical things like show the collar immediately during the many hours of streaming when people were asking about it (he only showed it after a break), refusal to identify which model of collar it was and claiming it was only able to vibrate (and then people figured out and proved that it was a shock collar which had been modified to look like a vibrating collar, poorly), other objectively abusive behavior like grabbing and yanking a dog by its tail, hiding the shock remote (which was exactly in the location he reached for during the CollarGate incident) when there was a camera up at a different angle that could see it, and so on.
He’s backed this up by showing the collar to his audience.
Lol
For the "did not shock" contingent: What's even your explanation for what happened? Was it a vibrating collar, or a modified shock collar? Why did he modify it and when? Why was he sure that Kaya "clipped herself" when he didn't see it happen, and why did he later change the explanation to that she didn't know how she hurt herself (and why are his stans still contradicting his explanation and insisting it must have been her dew claw and they know that that happened)? Do you think it was the dew claw, or do you think it's unknown how she hurt herself? I just want to hear what is the coherent explanation for what happened, and see whether it makes sense and lines up with what we can literally see with our eye balls.