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[Video] Kamala Harris becomes visibly shaken and furious after being called a “right-wing war criminal” (i.imgur.com)
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[–] -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (18 children)

If Biden died rather than step aside who would have been the candidate? It would be Harris as that is who was selected by the states that ran democratic primaries at that point.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago* (17 children)

    Harris is deeply unpopular with anyone who isn't a rabid neolib and was solely picked by the neolib establishment (read fucking dinosaurs addicted insider trading) for her willingness to be a corporate stooge.

    If she was half as wonderful as the online astroturfing suggested she wouldn't have had an abysmal turnout and wouldn't have lost the election along with every primary along the way.

    I knew she was cooked the moment she announced her VP and he got 1,000x the enthusiasm and coverage that she did.

    We needed an actual democratic socialist to excite people, not another fucking Israeli funded Republican-lite campaigning on a desperate gamble to gaslight people into thinking she isn't just another dogshit neolib.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Kamala had to be carried as VP, she had absolutely no business being the nomination.

    Shit, the only reason she was made VP was because of the identity politics of having yet another ancient white guy in office.

    Sorry I double responded, I meant to reply to another commenter and left it here by accident.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Although she definitely more left leaning than Biden.

    She ran to biden's right. biden never promised to put a republican on his cabinet. He never campaigned with cheneys.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    All in all, Harris played the gamble too safe and was trying desperately not to alienate anyone.

    She was perfectly willing to alienate the anti-genocide left.

    But she ended up not sounding like she was going to improve anything.

    She ended up sounding like what she was. A pro-genocide centrist.

    I firmly believe she would have helped pass any progressive legislation that came across her desk, but to win she needed to be pushing the country more left on policy.

    I firmly believe that she would have continued the biden betrayal of the left and the unconditional support for genocide, only with a republican on her cabinet.

    People we would normally write-off as pulled too far right actually are juts looking for leader with a message that gives them hope.

    Whatever gives you justification for moving even further to the right. Genocide support wasn't far enough rightward for you.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    None of this answered the question I asked though.

    Are you educated in the American political system at all? Im asking this because I don’t know you and a lot of the “they never held a primary” folks are actually not well educated on elections and how they work.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    She would have lost, even by the DNC's own crappy poll metrics which showed several candidates that were much more popular, like Newsom who could have easily fulfilled his role as a shill and a well received candidate instead of just an obvious shill.

    DNC running around with "too late for a primary" and "can't adjust voter law" is moot when you consider that almost all of them have a catch all cause for holding primary elections in circumstance, and the fact that they aren't even tied to the Federal election or even State control if the DNC wishes.

    That all being said, Harris would have been the de facto candidate as the incumbent if Biden died, but if the DNC wanted to, they could easily chose not to run her as the candidate and hold a primary.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Your question isn't relevant to what actually happened because it's an entirely different hypothetical situation.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    No, it’s directly relevant as it is the next closest situation as to what happened. Biden stepped down because ge could not fulfill the role due to his health.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    It's literally not. That's not what happened and has nothing to do with me talking about how Biden should have let a primary happen. You just brought this up as if it was relevant when it's really not

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Biden stepped aside due to health concerns after a disastrous debate. These concerns have since been justified as Biden has cancer.

    There was a primary and Biden/Harris won it. They ran unopposed for most of it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Okay, you do realize that Biden should have stepped down long before the debates ever even occurred.

    Again I reiterate, you're talking about something completely different than what I'm talking about.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    No because there was no reason we knew of at the time for him to step down.

    You stated there was no primary. I pointed out there was and then asked what the difference between Biden stepping down after the primaries had been run was any different thwn if he had died.

    If you have any precedent to point to that shows they had to or even were legally permitted to run a new primary I would be interested in seeing it as Im unaware of any.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    "there was no reason we knew of at the time for him to step down."

    That's factually incorrect, Biden ran on the promise of being a one term president there was every expectation that he would step down.

    You're just trying to justify bringing up random shit at this point, I'm kinda done with talking in circles with you.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I have literally been sticking to the same point the whole time and it is you who keeps trying to bring up new points.

    The fact us Biden stepped down. Multiple states had run primaries and selected Biden/Harris. There is no legal way to invalidate those elections that I am aware of.

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