artyom comments on Framework under fire for Omarchy/DHH/Hyprland support?

Framework under fire for Omarchy/DHH/Hyprland support? (crimier.github.io)

submitted 1 year ago by Curmuffin@fedia.io to c/technology@beehaw.org

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You might’ve noticed Framework, the laptop manufacturer, embroiled in a controversy as of now. The Discord server is on lockdown because the volunteer moderation team has gone on hiatus, and the Framework forum post about the controversy has been gaining unsightly amounts of steam from people disappointed at actions taken by Framework.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The author points out that Framework's mission is to encourage right to repair and responsible consumption by discouraging planned obsolescence.

They've already abandoned this with the Framework desktop.

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[–] heftig@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

How did they do that?

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 4 points 1 year ago*

It's not repairable or upgradable, save for the SSD and power supply.

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[–] Liz@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They didn't. Homie is just mad they expanded into an area that didn't actually need to revolutionized with repairability in mind. That's not abandoning repairability in the slightest. Mayyyyybe they're mad they're selling a CPU with soldered RAM, but they tried to make it with swappable RAM and it turned out to be impossible from a physics perspective. Something about the timing, if I remember correctly. They're really just selling that desktop because they were hyped on the CPU and thought it would make for a great enterprise workhorse. They threw it together crazy fast, too. It's not like it took meaningful time away from their other projects. I would imagine a good chunk of their business customers have been asking for a desktop so they can source everything from them, but that's pure speculation on my part.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

they tried to make it with swappable RAM and it turned out to be impossible from a physics perspective

Not true. They could make it but with reduced memory bandwidth. They chose not to do it anyway.

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[–] papertowels@mander.xyz 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Some more context, from the CEO:

So we did actually ask AMD about this the first time they told us about Strix Halo. It was literally our first question: ‘How do we get modular memory? We are Framework after all.’ And they didn’t say no actually, they did assign one of their technical architects to really really go deep on this—they ran simulations, they ran studies, and they just determined it’s not possible with Strix Halo to do LPCAMM. The signal integrity doesn’t work out because of how that memory’s fanning out over the 256-bit bus.

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