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Why is maga.place in blocked instances? (feddit.uk)

submitted 1 year ago by PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk to c/feddituk@feddit.uk

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Tbh i was looking forward to engaging in some debate with them.

did they break any actual rules or is it just because they're MAGA?

Edit: Before you angrily comment below (as so many have done so far) please keep in mind that this is a feddit.uk meta community and i am specifically asking the question to feddit.uk mods/admins and inviting discussion from feddit.uk users.

if you are not a feddit.uk user then this entire conversation DOES NOT AFFECT YOU. ~~I have yet to hear from anyone who actually is a feddit.uk user~~ Admin response here

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[–] iamericandre@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (18 children)

There is no debate to had with them. Facts mean nothing to these people

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[+] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk [S] -16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (17 children)

i'd still like to try

even if only for the entertainment value

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Feel free to sign up to all the Nazi social media you want to, you can even go make a Shitter account.

But if you're gonna spend your time asking why Nazi's aren't allowed everywhere, people are gonna start wondering if you just like Nazis...

Especially when your reasoning is basically "for the lols"

even if only for the entertainment value

Maybe you're a kid and you didn't know what people would assume when you to bat for nazis

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[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk [S] -4 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

The whole point of the fediverse is to be able to engage with people from other instances from your home instance. We don't block the other end of the spectrum, grad and hexbear remain available from this instance despite them advocating for various past and present authoritarian regimes and conductors of crimes against humanity.

I wear my badges from them with pride

If you want to block the whole instance you're welcome to, from your own account.

Don't make my decisions for me, I'll talk to whomever i want to, and i should be able to do so from my home instance, as the Fediverse was designed to do

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

Don’t make my decisions for me

Literally no one is...

If you dont like it, go make an account on maga.place itself?

Why should everyone else have to deal with fascists because you want them around?

And literally no one was talking about, and especially not defending hexbear. They're not "the other end of the spectrum" they're all rightwing authoritarians, they just tell different lies to people about it.

Don’t make my decisions for me, I’ll talk to whomever i want to, and i should be able to do so from my home instance, as the Fediverse was designed to do

From what you're saying...

Every instance would have to federate with everyone...

You might find an instance that wants to do that. Or you can make your own and beg instances to federate with you I do t think you'll get 100% tho

It seems you're so upset because you don't understand how this works or what it's for

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[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk [S] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Literally no one is…

Apart from whoever added maga.place to the defed list for feddit.uk (for the record, i'm not asserting that that was the wrong decision, just querying the reason behind it)

If you do t like it, go make an account on maga.place itself?

i shouldn't have to
for the same reason i left lemmy.ml, i am less subject to their (almost certainly shitty) moderation policies from a remote instance than i am from theirs

Why should everyone else have to deal with fascists because you want them around?

You don't have to. you have it within your power to block communities and instances in your account settings.

From what you’re saying… Every instance would have to federate with everyone…

yes, this is how lemmy works.

Or you can make your own and beg instances to federate with you I do t think you’ll get 100% tho

by default (as i understand it) everyone is federated. instance admins have to manually defederate if they want to. hence this post from me, a feddit.uk user asking the mods/admins in a feddit.uk meta community why they chose to make that decision.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

as i understand it

Like many things it seems, you're misunderstanding this...

If you're nicer, and asked questions, someone else might answer them, and you'll learn something

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[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk [S] -1 points 1 year ago

Like many things it seems, you’re misunderstanding this…

I have seen nothing to suggest this. please feel free to prove me wrong on that point

If you’re nicer, and asked questions

Please point out where i have been anything less than civil with anyone in the responses to my post

I did ask questions; this post was a question to the admins of my instance in a local community on my instance. It is of no concern to anyone who isn't a feddit.uk user

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[–] missingno@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

If you think the 'point' of the Fediverse is for every server to federate with every server, no exceptions, then let me ask you a Socratic question here: Why do you think defederation exists? This is a feature that is part of the Fediverse, and it serves an important purpose.

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[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk [S] 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children)

If you think the ‘point’ of the Fediverse is for every server to federate with every server, no exceptions

At no point did i say that. De-federation should be only used where severe disruption is being caused by an instance, there are technical incompatibilities, or there is a danger of illegal content being federated across.

feddit.uk has always had a light hand when it comes to censorship, which is one of the reasons i came here after lemmy.ml

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[–] missingno@fedia.io 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

Sounds like you should look for a server that is more closely aligned with your interests. That too is a feature of the Fediverse, rather than expecting every server to do things your way.

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[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk [S] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

I am not expecting every server to do things my way, i am trying to foment a discussion with other members of my instance about a top level moderation decision and presenting my viewpoint alongside that. As a somewhat regular contributor to the running costs of this instance i would like to see at least some community discussion before a decision is taken to take the drastic step of de-federation for idealistic reasons

Instead i have been dogpiled by emotional reactions and downvotes from people from other instances who have exactly zero stake in the argument since internal feddit.uk moderation decisions do not affect other instances. it's frankly astounding that i managed to get an admin response with how buried this post got

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[–] missingno@fedia.io 0 points 1 year ago

You asked why a server would defederate, you got answers, and then you got very upset that they weren't the answers you wanted to hear.

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[–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

And you think an entire instance should have to be exposed to that trash for your amusement? Maybe you might fit in better over there.

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[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 point 1 year ago

I believe you can have individual blocks. Pretty sure it was discussed having a default blocklist

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[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk [S] -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think discourse is helpful. Horrible ideas tend to fester if left in echo chambers.

If you're only here to talk to like minded individuals you might as well talk to a mirror

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[–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You might as well talk to a brick wall for as much as you'll accomplish. At least my mirror is pretty.

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[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk [S] -2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Would be nice to hear from people on my instance that this actually affects

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[–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

You don't want to have discourse with me? Trying to make an echo chamber?

I'm just being facetious, but maga people are truly miserable to be around. At best, you'll be casting pearls before swine. At worst, you're advocating giving them more of a platform to be garbage people on. That latter one is bad for everybody.

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