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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (15 children)

The Julian Assange story, which you don’t seem to know the basic facts about.

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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Oh, you're still talking about that? Let's pretend that is an example equivalent to what China does even though it isn't. I provided links with more than a hundred names of reporters who have been imprisoned, killed, or disappeared by China. You should be able to do the same if you are telling the truth.

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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (13 children)

The US has supplied the weapons to kill over 230 journalists in Gaza alone.

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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (12 children)

If that's the game we are playing, China supplies weapons to to Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Turkey, all of SE Asia, all but 3 countries in Africa, Mexico, Bolivia, Argentina, Peru, Ecuador, Venezuela, Russia, and North Korea. How many journalists deaths do you think that would be?

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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (11 children)

None, unless you have a source showing otherwise.

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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (10 children)

You didn't source your shit, why should I?

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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (9 children)

I’m not making wild claims. It’s widely known Assange was jailed for exposing the US killing journalists, and that the US has helped Israel kill over 200 journalists in the past two years.

You’re making a new claim.

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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (8 children)

That's a blatant lie. I can find no references anywhere to Assange exposing the killing of US journalists. He released files proving warrantless surveillance of US citizens. Post a link proving what you say.

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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

No, sea lion. If you’re an actual human, you are perfectly capable of searching for Collateral Murder, one of the most significant releases in the history of journalism.

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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Okay, so 2 journalists killed. That means you were lying.

https://collateralmurder.wikileaks.org/

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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

No, not at all. Julian Assange was imprisoned for releasing that proof of the US killing journalists.

You wanna go through the hindreds of other journalists that have been imprisoned/killed by the US? Let’s start with the 230+ journalists they helped kill in Gaza.

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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

Assange was jailed for obtaining and disclosing of classified documents stolen by Chelsea Manning. Saying anything else is a lie.

You keep defending China by deflecting onto the US. It's pretty obvious.

China jails and kills journalists domestically for long sentences explicitly for speaking against the government. The US does not do this, not even Trump.

Yes, the US has accidentally killed journalists through collateral damage in war zones. It's shitty and a problem, but it is blatant bad faith to equate this to China's direct persecution of journalists.

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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

..and the documents Manning provided were proof of the US killing journalists. Assange broke no laws by accepting those documents, given he’s a journalist and not subject to US laws in the first place.

The US has been censoring and jailing journalists for years. Still do.

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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Proof the US killed 2 journalists accidentally. You claimed the docs proved the US killed more than a hundred intentionally which was a lie.

In 2024 Assange plead guilty to a charge of conspiring to obtain and disclose classified U.S. national defence documents under the Espionage Act of 1917. He was sentenced to time served (62 months). Again, you lied.

But let's say I agree with your premise that Assange is an example of what you claim. That is one journalist. I provided names of more than a hundred arrested, tried, and jailed by China. Can you do the same for the US?

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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

Really can’t tell if this is a bad astroturfer, or a person with poor reading comprehension.

I said the docs proved killing journalists, and Assange was imprisoned for it. As someone who is not a US citizen, nor does he live there, he is not subject to the US espionage act. Though he is not the only journalist the US has tried to impose that act on.

The US has helped Israel kill over 200 journalists in the past two years alone. Would you like a list of all their names?

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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago

Really can’t tell if this is a bad astroturfer, or a person with poor reading comprehension.

Ad hominem

As someone who is not a US citizen, nor does he live there, he is not subject to the US espionage act.

He is subject to it if he lives in or enters a country with an extradition treaty with the US.

The US has helped Israel kill over 200 journalists in the past two years alone. Would you like a list of all their names?

You are moving the goalposts. This entire discussion has been about comparing the US to China. China arrests and kills their own journalists in their own country. That is the list I provided you. Provide the same for the US or admit you are wrong.

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