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Hegseth’s mysterious meeting with generals will focus on grooming and warrior ethos (www.politico.com)
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[–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

The national guard is the military.

Yes, but the structure is very different. The Guard operates on a state by state basis (for reasons which now seem remarkably farsighted), the rest of the military is a single centrally organized force based in DC. It's fine to talk about one or the other, or "the military" in general obviously, but specifically for something like January 6th it makes very little sense to talk about them both as a collective, talking about what they did or didn't do. That's why in my original message I specified "the federal military" which it seemed like was what you were talking about in the comment I was responding to.

The Air Force would save us if only they were allowed to. Uhm. I mean, just the PJs. But they need to get flown in so they can’t help us. But Abrahamic God Bless The Military”

Literally no idea what you are saying here.

For most of the BLM protests, the Guard functioned more or less to protect the protestors against the police for example (while getting bottles thrown at them and people yelling at them as if they were the enemy.)

VERY strong disagree there

Based on what? Something like this?

So on what are you basing this picture you have, of what happened?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    but specifically for something like January 6th it makes very little sense to talk about them both as a collective, talking about what they did or didn’t do.

    No, it makes perfect sense.

    Let's step through the workflow.

    1. Holy shit. A bunch of armed white people are trying to lynch Congress and the VPOTUS under the orders of the man that was voted out of office.
    2. Huh. The national guard isn't acting
    3. I guess that means we also shouldn't act and should just let it play out?

    And let's do the obvious tweak that is always ignored in these attempts to Support The Troops

    1. Holy shit. A bunch of angry hockey fans rushed the border and are going to burn down the White House... again. And the POTUS, for some reason, is not telling us to defend the American people. Maybe he is a Leafs fan?
    2. Huh. The national guard isn't acting
    3. I guess that means we also shouldn't act and should just let it play out?

    Literally no idea what you are saying here.

    I am pointing out the sheer and utter stupidity of insisting the military will save us. Just not THAT military. And I am doing so by extending that to the "it would be humorous if it weren't so true" extreme.

    As for the rest: The national guard is the military. You can gla-err, praise them all you want for not unloading on protesters. But the fact of the matter is they were there as a threat in case the protests "got out of hand" and were officially there to support the law enforcement and fat white kids with guns on the ground.

    They are the enemy until they stop fucking acting on its behalf.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So on what are you basing this picture of, of what happened?

    I get what you're saying about how simple and clear this massive constitutional crisis would have been to solve, and how lethal force on American soil by the foreign-focused military would have been a total improvement. Like I say, I actually do think there's a good bit of sense there. I'm just curious to see more of your credentials by learning about the accuracy of some of your other statements. Kind of get a baseline. Surely you're on board for that so you can help demonstrate your mastery of these issues right?

    So on what are you basing this picture of, of what happened with BLM and the Guard? Tell me more.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    So on what are you basing this picture of, of what happened?

    The event I keep referencing. You may have heard of it

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack

    The Military had its chance to fucking protect this country. It actively chose not to and, in doing so, supported a terrorist who had taken control of the White House and refused to obey the Constitution (because that is what trump was on that day)

    They can make a bunch of excuses all they want and you can parrot them and insist the real problem is the National Guard except the National Guard are also heroes because they just stood around menacingly with guns to let people vent some steam during the BLM protests and blah blah blah.

    The fact of the matter is: They were faced with a situation where force was needed to protect the country they claim to serve. They actively chose not to. End of fucking story.

    As for the rest: I genuinely don't care about your distinctions between the different branches. I don't care if you were on the raid by secret seal team six to capture secret bin laden. Because none of that fucking matters.

    What matters is that four and a half years ago the very government was under attack by a force with ties to foreign interests that was going to steal the country from the people. And the military chose to let that play out.

    So if you are just going to keep insisting that your favorite branch are actually heroes but the others are actually good too and hey, this guy with a gun totally didn't smack a black guy in the face that one time? Take your call of duty wank fantasies elsewhere because I won't be helping you get off.

    Oh, and if your argument is now that the military isn't meant to protect the country and is instead meant solely to murder brown people overseas: Hey, we agree on something!

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Okay, so you have no real examples of what you swore was happening with the Guard attacking protestors and sports fans. But of course you're completely right about this other thing (in a realm of speculation and judgement, instead of just objective reality of what happened in the past), and since you're now getting super pushy and emotional about it and how right you are, I guess I am supposed to knuckle under to it.

    Good luck with it, I think our conversation can conclude now.

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