thetentacle comments on Elon Musk’s X calls for delay in Australia’s child social media ban citing ‘serious concerns’ about policy’s lawfulness

[–] thetentacle@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

They got you! Authoritarians LOVE rebranding and confusing language, calling themself democratic people republic. Or calling themself national socialists depsite murdering the disabled! It makes no sense and they love doing it, because it confuses people like you!

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[–] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com -3 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

Yeah I ain't confused. I recommend reading some history books related to the I development of said ideologies. Socialism is an economic system it has nothing to do with mortality or empathy or right or wrong.

Its an excellent thing to support if ur a populist as the majority under any system will have less wealth than the minority (its an expect mathematical distribution u see it everywhere) so collecting votes from the many while disposing of the few is the strategy of socialism. This of course slots in very conveniently with the ideas of eugenics and sacrifice the few undesirables to make the lives of the majority better. Same concept different context.

I believe you my friend are the one who has been got by populist left wing talking points without applying critical thinking.

You are right fascists love changing and confusing language. Now who in america is doing that kind of thing at the moment cos it sure seems like the left is the one playing the word games.

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[–] thetentacle@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

Yes you are confused. Fascism is not "fundamentally a left wing ideology" because they were friendly with the Nazis. Fascism was right authoritarianism, NSDAP (Nazis) was right authoritariansim. The Nazis were not a left party. You are completely confused by the "socialist" part in the name. Which they intentionally used to confuse. The term "socialist" was used for propaganda, to attract workers, but their policies were not socialist but were right-wing nationalist, authoritarian, racist. They used "socialist" to mean state control of certain aspects, but not collective ownership, and they opposed Marxist socialism.

80 year old propaganda still confusing you. What kind of books you reading? I'm curious.

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[–] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Look at you parroting lemmy.ml arguments like its your fucking gospel.

Fascism's core ideology of total state control of the economy via corporatism, nationalising industries for the "collective good," and smashing individual property rights when they don't serve the masses' uprising against elitist straight out of leftwing playbooks, just wrapped in a different flag to confuse useful idiots like you.

Mussolini was a proud socialist before he evolved it; Hitler railed against "Jewish capitalism" while building welfare states for the volk.

Your "right-wing" label? That's the real propaganda, ignoring how both Nazis and fascists gutted markets and unions in pursuit of that egalitarian utopia you secretly love. Read some actual history beyond tankie meme chart and youtube videos titled top 10 reasons to be a communist.

As for books I'm sure u know that both Mussolini and hitler wrote about the development of their ideology and they are both dripping with socialist influences.

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[–] thetentacle@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

The famously "egalitarian" Nazis who thought provokingly also railed against the "Jewish capitalism" in their "egalitarian" pursuit of racial purity and a welfare state for the superior "egalitarian" Aryan volk?

Here is Mussolinis doctrine: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/14058/14058-h/14058-h.htm

"No individuals nor groups (political parties, associations, labour unions, classes) outside the State. For this reason Fascism is opposed to Socialism, which clings rigidly to class war in the historic evolution and ignores the unity of the State which moulds the classes into a single, moral and economic reality."

Straight out of the pigs mouth. Of course, it's still propaganda, he could have said it is socialism, and it still wouldn't be socialism if it isn't socialism. The same way you can call a pig a horse, or the Nazis egalitarian.

Whats a tankie btw?

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[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Whats a tankie btw?

Originally, these were western supporters of soviet/russian imperialism. Soviet imperialism was very much a seamless continuation of tsarist imperialism.

After WW2, Soviet Russia had military control of much of Europe. They installed authoritarian governments that were under their control, but of course there were occasional reform movements, notably in Hungary 1956 or Czechoslovakia 1968. Russia crushed these "revolts" with overwhelming military force. They sent in the tanks, and so those who favored military aggression were called "tankies".

Note: These were regular wars between countries by any definition.

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[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago

so collecting votes from the many

All the notable socialist states, Soviet Russia, Red China, Cuba, arose out of a "2nd amendment solution to tyranny", as might be said in the US.

The term "socialist" can be used in a much broader sense, but then the meaning is really unclear. I mean, you could call the US a socialist state. The left-wing revolutionaries, who founded it, claimed that all are born equal and fought a war to expropriate the rightfully inherited rights of the king. They even created a constitution to promote the general Welfare without even mentioning the protection of property.

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