My working definition of liberal is this one
Is it?
Liberalism has a close but sometimes uneasy relationship with democracy. At the center of democratic doctrine is the belief that governments derive their authority from popular election; liberalism, on the other hand, is primarily concerned with the scope of governmental activity. Liberals often have been wary of democracy, then, because of fears that it might generate a tyranny by the majority. One might briskly say, therefore, that democracy looks after majorities and liberalism after unpopular minorities.
To achieve what they took to be a more just distribution of wealth and income, liberals relied on two major strategies. First, they promoted the organization of workers into trade unions in order to improve their power to bargain with employers.
Like other political doctrines, liberalism is highly sensitive to time and circumstance. Each country’s liberalism is different, and it changes in each generation. ... In each case, however, the liberals’ inspiration was the same: a hostility to concentrations of power that threaten the freedom of individuals and prevent them from realizing their full potential, along with a willingness to reexamine and reform social institutions in the light of new needs.
It sounds like your entire conception of what "liberal" doesn't have much at all to do with this article you sent me, and is kind of centered around this one thing:
This willingness is tempered by an aversion to sudden, cataclysmic change, which is what sets off the liberal from the radical.
... and then some predictions about how it will function to enable collapse into fascism. More or less, the MLK definition of "liberal." Makes sense to me. I can kind of see the narrative you're constructing about how liberalism functions, and we could talk about that whole thing if you want. I don't think that is the academic definition of liberalism though. Basically, it sounds like you're defining liberalism as "allegiance to the government and rejection of methods of change outside of the formal government structure," and kind of nothing else beyond that. IDK, maybe I'm wrong in that, tell me. If that's your definition, then I am not one.
In addition:
“I agree we should have safer working conditions, but acting against the company risks me losing my job so I can’t support a strike”.
By this definition Biden is not a liberal, since he supported basically every strike aside from the rail strike that took place under his term. His labor secretary providing additional weight behind union actions was one of the big enablers of forward progress for the working class under his tenure.
I'd actually go further than this, into things like this and supporting the rail strike also even if it fucks up the economy, but if simply supporting strike actions makes you not a liberal, then I think a whole lot of people on Lemmy are exempted from criticism by this meme because they definitely are not liberals.
“I agree that democrats are fascist collaborators, but acting against them risks letting the fascist take the place of the fascist collaborator, so I can’t support protesting them right now”.
I mean that's a very specific example lol. But sure.
I clarified what I think about this with some things here and here for example:
Where, something like the “uncommitted” movement is at least organized in a fashion where it seems like it could produce an improvement, by putting pressure on the Democrats, so that sounds fine. Just not voting for Democrats and hoping they’ll figure it out and move to the left seems pretty much guaranteed to give us something along the lines of the catastrophe that happened. Which is why I am opposed to it.
“Uncommitted” movement? Fine. Let’s put pressure on the Democrats to be better, in a way that’s organized and has some passable chance of saving some lives. Great stuff.
(I also at some point posted some articles I think about specific strategies to make effective protest against the Democrats that would actually make them change their policies, in addition to the obvious example of "uncommitted.")
This is why I dislike having the conversation in terms of "liberal." It's going to mean that I'm going to have to spend an entire week clarifying what I believe and what I support, because you have such a strong narrative in your head that "PhilipTheBucket is a liberal -> PhilipTheBucket opposes protest movements if they might hurt Democrats' chances -> because that's how liberals are and he's a liberal and I know that." Even if I somehow managed to convince you of what I actually believe, you just perceive it as me trying to make this argument that I'm "not a liberal" or something. You'll be deeply suspicious of it, because the bit is already flipped. You have this whole thing so firmly embedded in your worldview that you will tell me I'm lying if I try to tell just what I believe. I mean, it doesn't help matters that I think something that's kind of adjacent to that ("if Trump comes to power then things will be much worse, so it's worth trying to keep him out of power"), but it's not really rocket science to be able to distinguish between those two sort-of-similar sounding things.
Of course, if your whole point is just to trash me for being "a bad liberal," then it suddenly does become really difficult to distinguish between them, and you can constantly keep swearing that I said the first one.