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[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 11 points 1 year ago (11 children) If Linux isn't still supporting 16-bit, there's a problem. permalink fedilink source hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] BlackVenom@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago Right? If my 8086 can't run it, I don't want it. Smh permalink fedilink source parent [–] unrealMinotaur@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago (9 children) 16-bit computers died off before Linux was even a thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (8 children) The 8088 was produce to 1998 and 80186 was produced all the way to 2007. They may not been mainstream, but they certainly existed in production to run linux. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] data1701d@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago (7 children) Just because they existed during the Linux era doesn’t mean they ran Linux; Torvalds was writing for the 386 from the beginning, and Linux has never been written for anything below 32-bit. Now, it certainly has RAN on that hardware through emulation, such as on a 4 bit Intel 4004, but only for the heck of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Linux has never been written for anything below 32-bit. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embeddable_Linux_Kernel_Subset permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] data1701d@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Technically not the Linux kernel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) How is it not? It is a fork of the linux kernel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] data1701d@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) For one, it explicitly calls itself a “subset”; a subset is not the whole set. If we don’t want to go just off the pedantics of language though, then here’s the thing: it was forked a very long time ago, and both have diverged significantly, I think. It’s a bit like saying Blink (the rendering engine of Chromium) is WebKit; sure, Blink is a fork of WebKit, but the two are very different now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children) I mean... obviously 8086 "x86" is more limited than modern x86. So obviously there will be reduced features and divergence. And by your logic, because it diverged 25 years ago... modern linux is...no longer linux. If you want a valid argument, its not GNU/linux since it doesnt use GNU tools... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] data1701d@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) To clarify, what I mean is WebKit continued while Blink became its own thing. Factually, Blink is not WebKit anymore. Replace “WebKit” with Linux and Blink with ELKS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago And webkit is a fork of khtml. Noone is arguing forks are "their own thing" but we can all agree they are all derived from the same base and have diverged from factors such as solviing different problems or simply different developer methodology. They're is no straight line. There are hundreds of linux kernel offshoots. Some are more tightly coupled with the main, some are highly specific to a single cpu architecture. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BlackVenom@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago Right? If my 8086 can't run it, I don't want it. Smh permalink fedilink source parent
[–] unrealMinotaur@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago (9 children) 16-bit computers died off before Linux was even a thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (8 children) The 8088 was produce to 1998 and 80186 was produced all the way to 2007. They may not been mainstream, but they certainly existed in production to run linux. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] data1701d@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago (7 children) Just because they existed during the Linux era doesn’t mean they ran Linux; Torvalds was writing for the 386 from the beginning, and Linux has never been written for anything below 32-bit. Now, it certainly has RAN on that hardware through emulation, such as on a 4 bit Intel 4004, but only for the heck of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Linux has never been written for anything below 32-bit. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embeddable_Linux_Kernel_Subset permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] data1701d@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Technically not the Linux kernel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) How is it not? It is a fork of the linux kernel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] data1701d@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) For one, it explicitly calls itself a “subset”; a subset is not the whole set. If we don’t want to go just off the pedantics of language though, then here’s the thing: it was forked a very long time ago, and both have diverged significantly, I think. It’s a bit like saying Blink (the rendering engine of Chromium) is WebKit; sure, Blink is a fork of WebKit, but the two are very different now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children) I mean... obviously 8086 "x86" is more limited than modern x86. So obviously there will be reduced features and divergence. And by your logic, because it diverged 25 years ago... modern linux is...no longer linux. If you want a valid argument, its not GNU/linux since it doesnt use GNU tools... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] data1701d@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) To clarify, what I mean is WebKit continued while Blink became its own thing. Factually, Blink is not WebKit anymore. Replace “WebKit” with Linux and Blink with ELKS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago And webkit is a fork of khtml. Noone is arguing forks are "their own thing" but we can all agree they are all derived from the same base and have diverged from factors such as solviing different problems or simply different developer methodology. They're is no straight line. There are hundreds of linux kernel offshoots. Some are more tightly coupled with the main, some are highly specific to a single cpu architecture. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (8 children) The 8088 was produce to 1998 and 80186 was produced all the way to 2007. They may not been mainstream, but they certainly existed in production to run linux. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] data1701d@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago (7 children) Just because they existed during the Linux era doesn’t mean they ran Linux; Torvalds was writing for the 386 from the beginning, and Linux has never been written for anything below 32-bit. Now, it certainly has RAN on that hardware through emulation, such as on a 4 bit Intel 4004, but only for the heck of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Linux has never been written for anything below 32-bit. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embeddable_Linux_Kernel_Subset permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] data1701d@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Technically not the Linux kernel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) How is it not? It is a fork of the linux kernel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] data1701d@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) For one, it explicitly calls itself a “subset”; a subset is not the whole set. If we don’t want to go just off the pedantics of language though, then here’s the thing: it was forked a very long time ago, and both have diverged significantly, I think. It’s a bit like saying Blink (the rendering engine of Chromium) is WebKit; sure, Blink is a fork of WebKit, but the two are very different now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children) I mean... obviously 8086 "x86" is more limited than modern x86. So obviously there will be reduced features and divergence. And by your logic, because it diverged 25 years ago... modern linux is...no longer linux. If you want a valid argument, its not GNU/linux since it doesnt use GNU tools... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] data1701d@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) To clarify, what I mean is WebKit continued while Blink became its own thing. Factually, Blink is not WebKit anymore. Replace “WebKit” with Linux and Blink with ELKS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago And webkit is a fork of khtml. Noone is arguing forks are "their own thing" but we can all agree they are all derived from the same base and have diverged from factors such as solviing different problems or simply different developer methodology. They're is no straight line. There are hundreds of linux kernel offshoots. Some are more tightly coupled with the main, some are highly specific to a single cpu architecture. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] data1701d@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago (7 children) Just because they existed during the Linux era doesn’t mean they ran Linux; Torvalds was writing for the 386 from the beginning, and Linux has never been written for anything below 32-bit. Now, it certainly has RAN on that hardware through emulation, such as on a 4 bit Intel 4004, but only for the heck of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Linux has never been written for anything below 32-bit. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embeddable_Linux_Kernel_Subset permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] data1701d@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Technically not the Linux kernel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) How is it not? It is a fork of the linux kernel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] data1701d@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) For one, it explicitly calls itself a “subset”; a subset is not the whole set. If we don’t want to go just off the pedantics of language though, then here’s the thing: it was forked a very long time ago, and both have diverged significantly, I think. It’s a bit like saying Blink (the rendering engine of Chromium) is WebKit; sure, Blink is a fork of WebKit, but the two are very different now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children) I mean... obviously 8086 "x86" is more limited than modern x86. So obviously there will be reduced features and divergence. And by your logic, because it diverged 25 years ago... modern linux is...no longer linux. If you want a valid argument, its not GNU/linux since it doesnt use GNU tools... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] data1701d@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) To clarify, what I mean is WebKit continued while Blink became its own thing. Factually, Blink is not WebKit anymore. Replace “WebKit” with Linux and Blink with ELKS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago And webkit is a fork of khtml. Noone is arguing forks are "their own thing" but we can all agree they are all derived from the same base and have diverged from factors such as solviing different problems or simply different developer methodology. They're is no straight line. There are hundreds of linux kernel offshoots. Some are more tightly coupled with the main, some are highly specific to a single cpu architecture. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Linux has never been written for anything below 32-bit. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embeddable_Linux_Kernel_Subset permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] data1701d@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Technically not the Linux kernel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) How is it not? It is a fork of the linux kernel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] data1701d@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) For one, it explicitly calls itself a “subset”; a subset is not the whole set. If we don’t want to go just off the pedantics of language though, then here’s the thing: it was forked a very long time ago, and both have diverged significantly, I think. It’s a bit like saying Blink (the rendering engine of Chromium) is WebKit; sure, Blink is a fork of WebKit, but the two are very different now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children) I mean... obviously 8086 "x86" is more limited than modern x86. So obviously there will be reduced features and divergence. And by your logic, because it diverged 25 years ago... modern linux is...no longer linux. If you want a valid argument, its not GNU/linux since it doesnt use GNU tools... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] data1701d@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) To clarify, what I mean is WebKit continued while Blink became its own thing. Factually, Blink is not WebKit anymore. Replace “WebKit” with Linux and Blink with ELKS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago And webkit is a fork of khtml. Noone is arguing forks are "their own thing" but we can all agree they are all derived from the same base and have diverged from factors such as solviing different problems or simply different developer methodology. They're is no straight line. There are hundreds of linux kernel offshoots. Some are more tightly coupled with the main, some are highly specific to a single cpu architecture. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] data1701d@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Technically not the Linux kernel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) How is it not? It is a fork of the linux kernel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] data1701d@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) For one, it explicitly calls itself a “subset”; a subset is not the whole set. If we don’t want to go just off the pedantics of language though, then here’s the thing: it was forked a very long time ago, and both have diverged significantly, I think. It’s a bit like saying Blink (the rendering engine of Chromium) is WebKit; sure, Blink is a fork of WebKit, but the two are very different now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children) I mean... obviously 8086 "x86" is more limited than modern x86. So obviously there will be reduced features and divergence. And by your logic, because it diverged 25 years ago... modern linux is...no longer linux. If you want a valid argument, its not GNU/linux since it doesnt use GNU tools... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] data1701d@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) To clarify, what I mean is WebKit continued while Blink became its own thing. Factually, Blink is not WebKit anymore. Replace “WebKit” with Linux and Blink with ELKS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago And webkit is a fork of khtml. Noone is arguing forks are "their own thing" but we can all agree they are all derived from the same base and have diverged from factors such as solviing different problems or simply different developer methodology. They're is no straight line. There are hundreds of linux kernel offshoots. Some are more tightly coupled with the main, some are highly specific to a single cpu architecture. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) How is it not? It is a fork of the linux kernel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] data1701d@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) For one, it explicitly calls itself a “subset”; a subset is not the whole set. If we don’t want to go just off the pedantics of language though, then here’s the thing: it was forked a very long time ago, and both have diverged significantly, I think. It’s a bit like saying Blink (the rendering engine of Chromium) is WebKit; sure, Blink is a fork of WebKit, but the two are very different now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children) I mean... obviously 8086 "x86" is more limited than modern x86. So obviously there will be reduced features and divergence. And by your logic, because it diverged 25 years ago... modern linux is...no longer linux. If you want a valid argument, its not GNU/linux since it doesnt use GNU tools... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] data1701d@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) To clarify, what I mean is WebKit continued while Blink became its own thing. Factually, Blink is not WebKit anymore. Replace “WebKit” with Linux and Blink with ELKS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago And webkit is a fork of khtml. Noone is arguing forks are "their own thing" but we can all agree they are all derived from the same base and have diverged from factors such as solviing different problems or simply different developer methodology. They're is no straight line. There are hundreds of linux kernel offshoots. Some are more tightly coupled with the main, some are highly specific to a single cpu architecture. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] data1701d@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) For one, it explicitly calls itself a “subset”; a subset is not the whole set. If we don’t want to go just off the pedantics of language though, then here’s the thing: it was forked a very long time ago, and both have diverged significantly, I think. It’s a bit like saying Blink (the rendering engine of Chromium) is WebKit; sure, Blink is a fork of WebKit, but the two are very different now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children) I mean... obviously 8086 "x86" is more limited than modern x86. So obviously there will be reduced features and divergence. And by your logic, because it diverged 25 years ago... modern linux is...no longer linux. If you want a valid argument, its not GNU/linux since it doesnt use GNU tools... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] data1701d@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) To clarify, what I mean is WebKit continued while Blink became its own thing. Factually, Blink is not WebKit anymore. Replace “WebKit” with Linux and Blink with ELKS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago And webkit is a fork of khtml. Noone is arguing forks are "their own thing" but we can all agree they are all derived from the same base and have diverged from factors such as solviing different problems or simply different developer methodology. They're is no straight line. There are hundreds of linux kernel offshoots. Some are more tightly coupled with the main, some are highly specific to a single cpu architecture. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children) I mean... obviously 8086 "x86" is more limited than modern x86. So obviously there will be reduced features and divergence. And by your logic, because it diverged 25 years ago... modern linux is...no longer linux. If you want a valid argument, its not GNU/linux since it doesnt use GNU tools... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] data1701d@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) To clarify, what I mean is WebKit continued while Blink became its own thing. Factually, Blink is not WebKit anymore. Replace “WebKit” with Linux and Blink with ELKS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago And webkit is a fork of khtml. Noone is arguing forks are "their own thing" but we can all agree they are all derived from the same base and have diverged from factors such as solviing different problems or simply different developer methodology. They're is no straight line. There are hundreds of linux kernel offshoots. Some are more tightly coupled with the main, some are highly specific to a single cpu architecture. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] data1701d@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) To clarify, what I mean is WebKit continued while Blink became its own thing. Factually, Blink is not WebKit anymore. Replace “WebKit” with Linux and Blink with ELKS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago And webkit is a fork of khtml. Noone is arguing forks are "their own thing" but we can all agree they are all derived from the same base and have diverged from factors such as solviing different problems or simply different developer methodology. They're is no straight line. There are hundreds of linux kernel offshoots. Some are more tightly coupled with the main, some are highly specific to a single cpu architecture. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago And webkit is a fork of khtml. Noone is arguing forks are "their own thing" but we can all agree they are all derived from the same base and have diverged from factors such as solviing different problems or simply different developer methodology. They're is no straight line. There are hundreds of linux kernel offshoots. Some are more tightly coupled with the main, some are highly specific to a single cpu architecture. permalink fedilink source parent