I disagree that left of center is more nuanced than communism. Most communists historically reject all forms of sectarianism, although we can fall into it anyway for a lot of reasons. I have love and admiration for many progressive liberals, and leftists that are not communists (commies are often not the most left faction, leninists tend to be more center left.) When you get to this level of analysis though, left right and center stop being useful and you have to dig into actual issues and political action.

But many progressive liberals are wrongheaded or idealist and dualist, which is not conducive to nuance. But also people are often much more deep and full of insight than their politics suggest

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[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

"thinking that non-westerners are people sounds like fascism to me. I'm a leftist by the way"

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[–] Tippy@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

All people are people, regardless of where they live. Borders are just another way for capitalists to fuel the class war. Keep malding that I'm not a tankie 🤙

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[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Incoherent.

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[–] Juice@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago

Literally just the most basic Marxist definition of the state. Calling this incoherent is an epic self own.

Incapable/unwilling to understand is completely district from impossible to be understood.

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[+] trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world -13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

To me it looks like you're trying to paint everyone who's not a Nazi or a tankie as an 'enlightened centrist'.

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[–] Tippy@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago

🤷 try glasses

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[–] TheMinister@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Try anarchism. Goes down smooth

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

i've known too many people who went anarchist > ancap > asshole > sovcit. I'm sure it works well for you, but i feel like it's playing with ~~fire~~ black tar heroin

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[–] TheMinister@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Say what. No one I know has ever gone down that route. Anarchism is the furthest reach from ancap or sovcit.

I guess I and my friends have the antidote: read some actual theory. You couldn’t possibly agree with theory then go ancap. Sounds like you’re describing YouTube anarchists.

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[–] Juice@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago

Yes, you can even be a communist without being a tankie.

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[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Not now that the term has expanded to mean everything to the left of Kamala Harris.

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

tankie is, as i understand it, a combination of authoritarianism, leftism, and some weird nostalgia for the soviet union i'm not entirely sure i've just been casually trying to pick stuff up.

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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That's more likely to be Nationalist Bolshevism. The correct term is should be 'NazBol' and they're nationalistic right wingers.

Keep in mind some users on Lemmy use the term 'tankie' to include anyone with opposition to capitalism and will argue to include anyone who is pro-palestinian or even anti-war ironically.

But those users just so happen to be critics of the Nuremburg Trial verdicts, so their opinions matter less than the NazBols to begin with.

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

i remember talking about the nuremburg trials with some... now that i think about of it most of them were lawyer friends, and i only have basic education about the nuremburg trials. a few of them have studied them in depth, and now that i think about it the only criticism i ever heard about the verdict was, if you'll allow me to paraphrase, "you're going to spend your whole life disappointed if you keep expecting everything to be perfect".

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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Here I distinctly recall a user calling the execution of Julius Streicher an inhumane act and that we lost our humanity executing unrepentant Nazis.

So that's fun.

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

so i'm very much not a fan of the death penalty as i've seen the criminal punishment system fuck up. a lot. they've gotta be above reproach if we can trust them with literal power over life and death.

at the same time, unrepentant Nazi. if it had been up to me, I'd've wanted to give him the ol' Robert-François Damiens. first: people are allowed contradictions. second: sometimes the brutality is part of the point. hold the unrepentant nazis up for generations as villains. don't allow them to be buried in normal cemeteries. Take their ashes and spread them around the country to be on permanent display in each and every post office as an example of why you don't fuck with the postmaster. teach your kids "you end up being one of those damn nazis i'll put you in the community ash jar myself". we really could have done better.