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We must not posthumously sanitize Charlie Kirk's hateful life (www.erininthemorning.com)
submitted 1 year ago by to c/conservative@sh.itjust.works
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[–] 17 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

He needs to communicate order and tolerance right now to keep his presidential bid alive.

That's absolutely not what the non-Republican electorate wants right now. What they want is anti-fascist action, not bromance with fascists.

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  • [+] -14 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Maybe that's what you want, but I don't think that's what the quiet majority wants, and I think Newsom knows that. People generally want stability and for the President to not take over the news cycle.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    What you're talking about is the current dem platform. You know, the one that has them at 24% approval rating. People who do make noise and make a point of resisting fascism see their approval ratings rise. There's no evidence for that quiet majority of yours.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Stability and order is anti-fascism. Fascism is all about identifying an enemy and using it as an excuse to grab power. Stability and order is about not making crazy changes and following the rule of law. If you have a leftist trying the same tactics as Trump, but in the opposite direction, I really don't think that's going to work out.

    The two largest groups I see revolve around support for Trump. The opposite of Trump is stability and order, and that's what's going to sell IMO.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Spain under Franco was stable and orderly; it was still fascist. The system needs crazy changes to be fixed (if such a thing is possible), because it was crazy changes that got it to its present broken state. Again, you have providing no evidence for your silent majority, which would theoretically support the current Dem platform.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The Dems have had the wrong platform pretty consistently.

    1. 2016 - people were tired of the establishment which is why Sanders got popular, but the DNC picked Clinton (textbook establishment)
    2. 2020 - people got Trump whiplash and wanted someone presidential and energetic to fix relationships w/ other countries, but the top four candidates were over 70
    3. 2024 - people wanted to fix inflation, and Harris promised the "status quo"

    People are tired of Trump, mostly because of the sheer onslaught of changes. If the next candidate wants to flip the table again, I don't see them doing well. Save that for the second term once things have been put back to normal.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    People are tired of Trump, mostly because of the sheer onslaught of changes.

    Uh... no? It's because of all the fascism and wrecking the economy. There's a lot more that's objectionable about Trump than change. If the underlying issues of American society are not addressed, there will be no second term because the right will be able to say "see? Liberals don't care about you as long as they're in power."

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Change is a pretty broad category. Here's what I've seen from conservative neighbors, conservative posts online, etc:

    • immigration - people want the law enforced, but not to be mean to people
    • tariffs - people hate prices going up and don't understand the benefits (because they don't exist IMO)
    • inflation is not getting better, the job market is getting worse, and interest rates are still high
    • his cabinet picks, Musk's DOGE, etc all seem very ineffective and incompetent

    Go ask a center right person that voted for Trump and they'll say they regret their vote. One of my friends voted for Trump in 2016 and I think 2020, but not 2024. Ask that same person if they think Trump is fascist and they'll probably say no.

    The rhetoric here online doesn't match peoples' opinions IRL.

    there will be no second term

    If they're not incompetent and actually do a decent job, they'll win reelection. Biden did okay for a year or so, and then not so much, yet the DNC tried to cover it up and Harris promised more of the same. That's not going to cut it, they need another Obama or Bill Clinton.

    I'm rooting for the DNC to figure things out because the GOP obviously isn't.

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