Overspark comments on The Best RPGs Of The Past Decade, Year By Year [2025 is Clair Obscur: Expedition 33]

On the Playstation store, yes. On PC it was mostly fine, if a bit buggy because it was released too early (as so many games are unfortunately). But I and many other people enjoyed it just fine at launch, and it has gotten better and better every year since then. It's still getting new content and patches 5 years after launch, and the modding scene is absolutely crazy right now, so many good stuff being released.

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[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago*

So your defense is that companies cared more about money than providing a good product?

It wasn’t released early, it was released in a broken state and completely unfinished state, they were missing promised content, and bare minimum standards to make it an rpg.

It’s crazy that people are defending the worst game release EVER as being goty, lmfao give your head a shake.

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[–] burt@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago

Cyberpunk 2077 is one of my favorite games, but even retcon-ing it in its current state with phantom liberty, it is not as good as any of the games on this list post its initial release.

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[–] sonalder@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Yeah maybe because the game was good two years after the initial release haha

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It was straight broken garbage when it came out.

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[–] Overspark@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

On older consoles, yes, absolutely. But people really shouldn't let their saltiness from 5 years ago stop them from enjoying what has since become one of the better games of the past decade.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 1 year ago

I thought it was a decent 20 hour game squeezed into a 100 hour open world slog, that completely ruins the urgent nature of the plot.

Phantom Liberty was pretty great though. The confined nature of it let the story develop with pace.

CDPR should just stop trying to force everything into open worlds because their games are still good in spite of them, not because of them.

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It doesn't matter if it became that, the question is what was it the year it's released. That's what this list is for. That year.

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[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago

Then they shouldn’t have had dollar signs in their eyes and not released into systems that couldn’t handle it Lmfao.

You have some very interesting takes…

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[–] alphabethunter@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Not an RPG. You make literally two real choices the whole game: who you are (at the start), and what you're going to do (at the end). The developers themselves have said that the game is not a RPG, and more like a shooter with some RPG elements when they were criticized about this.

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[–] alphabethunter@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Although I have to agree that the list doesn't seem to care about this, as they've put Dark Souls, Monster Hunter and Elden Ring as RPGs...

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[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (9 children)

All of those have character progression (skills/points) that’s a main attribute of RPGs.

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[–] sbbq@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 year ago (8 children)

So does Cyberpunk.

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[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Before or after the overhaul? Because at launch it was barely enough to call it a progression system.

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[–] Overspark@piefed.social 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It had all of those things at launch.

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[–] alphabethunter@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Barely. I remember well levelling up to get the incredible boost of +2.5% at handling handguns. That skill tree was so shitty that I'd prefer if the game didn't have it.

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[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

lol paltry stat bonuses is not progression system. Theres a reason they had to overhaul it…it was hated because it wasn’t a progression system, calling it an rpg is an insult to actual rpgs.

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[+] Visstix@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

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[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

No, people seem to be watering down what it means for a game to be an RPG.

Just because a game gives you few bonuses as an essentially half assed system to make it seem like an rpg, doesn’t make it an rpg. A progression system in an RPG is deep, has layers, provides skills and makes your character a different version of what it was at the start.

CyperPunk in now way at launch met this mark with 2.5% dmg, 2% fire rate, etc. where’s the unlocking smgs, unlocking scopes, stuff like that.

Dont misconstrue what it means for an rpg to be an rpg because your feelings are hurt about your “goty” for what it actually means to have a progression system.

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[–] Overspark@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

This is so wrong I don't even know where to start. There is an very convoluted web of how choices in literally dozens of quests affect other quests and other things in the world. There are hours and hours and hours of videos on Youtube going through all the choices you have and all the possible outcomes they give you and all the different endings the game has if you make the right choices.

And since when are we gatekeeping the term RPG? Even the Wikipedia article opens with "Cyberpunk 2077 is a 2020 action role-playing game"... It's also based on a pen-and-paper RPG, and it's original creator, Mike Pondsmith, is involved in the creation of this game and it's upcoming sequel. I'm not sure how much more RPG you can be than that?

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[–] alphabethunter@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

GTA V has quests with decisions and lets you make a few ending altering decisions, while also having character progression and item progression, plus let's you roleplay being a criminal, would it be called an RPG by most people standards? Hardly.

Although I'd say CP2077 is not an RPG by the usual standard, I agree that the game borders the concept. Actually, I'd say most games that have a player character do border the real foundational concept of a "Role-playing Game", however, that's not how most people classify RPGs as videogames. For a videogame to be an RPG we understand that they need to pursue those elements wholeheartedly. And that's definitely not the case for CP2077 (also not for Monster Hunter, nor Souls).

Also, the source material being a TRPG means absolutely nothing. Vampire the Masquerade Bloodhunt's source material is the TRPG Vampire The Masquerade. Is the game an RPG then? No, it's a Battle royale. Pathfinder Gallowspire Survivors is a mob-hell/vampire survivor-like game, not an RPG either. Actually, this is even worse for CP2077 because the game takes almost nothing but the setting from the Cyberpunk TRPG.

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