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we must maintain the status quo (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
submitted 1 year ago by to c/flippanarchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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To anyone who supports capitalism or otherwise opposes socialism:

Do you support the idea that one man can accumulate enough wealth to own all land of this Earth, making everyone born in his empire under his rule as long as he can kill to defend it? What prevents capitalism from accomplishing this in law? What law exists that limits the borders of nations?

Why, then, must we endure a system where a single man owning the Earth and enslave it is a feature, not a bug?

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I just wanna know what people think. Why must this be maintained? Why is any opposition to capping wealth just the end of the world when it probably would save it, just logically thinking it through?

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[–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

You may be moving goal posts. Who cares why the sell their land, capitalism doesn't forbid someone for doing it for fun or any reason. Capitalism doesn't prevent it, therefore there is no way to prevent it within capitalism---this is a fundamental truth of capitalism, like it or not. Nothing stops, in a capitalist society, a human being from attaining all the wealth in the world: that is a valid dream within capitalism. Thankfully capitalism hasn't seen it through yet, but it's absolutely possible. This is a feature of capitalism. It must be made a bug.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'm just engaging in the conversation that you started. You said someone could purchase every piece of land in the whole world. I asked why everyone would sell, you say they might sell for fun?

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Why does anyone ever sell land? Maybe because they're in massive debt and the only thing they have left is a family christmas tree farm that's 100 acres. Maybe they got high and chose to. It honestly has no merit to the debate, I encourage you to engage with the questions posed, specifically the final one.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    We need to get money out of politics, until that happens logic and morality will not matter

    I don't think there's much reason to worry that people will get high and sell their land or just do it for fun or will sell the family Christmas tree farm to settle their debts. All great scenarios

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago*

    We need to get money out of politics

    A) America is a capitalist system. B) In America, the law is for sale.

    Capitalism is a system that doesn't prevent the sale of law. Nothing in capitalist theory prevented the sale of law from happening. It literally was put up for sale and is now available to those with capital (aka, not you or me). Capitalism is the system of America. Capitalism allows the sale of law. Capitalism supports the sale of law, and the only thing stopping it is supposed to be democracy, but that's failing at the moment.

    All of this to say, money in politics is a observably feature of capitalism, not a bug. This is a failure of democracy that's supposed to reign in capitalism but when so-called democratic leaders choose to not act, capitalism wins. This is not a surprise at all, because capitalism wants everything to be purchasable, even power and authority.

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