Australia and the West have experienced, hand over fist, improvements in GDP and living standards since we moved our manufacturing and resource extraction overseas*.

Even as the working class got sold out**, living standards improved across the board. The rich got richer and so did the middle class - with most Australians joining the middle class, during and, since the post-war era.

We were getting a good deal on our imports, taking more from poorer countries (Global South) than we gave in return, but that has been coming to an end.

The Global North (the First World) has monopolised trade with the Global South, by Capital and demand but also coercion and regime change, which ensured a good deal. But with the rise of the BRIX and China's Belt and Road initiative, the Global South has more opportunity for equal exchange of goods and services.

While the IMF used third world debt to influence policy change, allowing Western Capital to buy up and exploit industry, Chinese banks are forgiving debts and negotiating mutually beneficial agreements (to the benefit of China).

While Western Capital built limited infrastructure to extract a specific resource, China is investing in not just general infrastructure but education and the creation of a local workforce.

The Global South are trading with each other. They have more options, trade is more competitive - we get less of a deal.

Where previously Australia could afford to give Corporations absurd profits and still have money for the people, this will be less and less possible. Australia needs to re-embrace the policies of the post-war era, which ensured a dignified life, and roll back the last 50 years of neoliberal policy built for an age which no longer exists.

* Not just in the neoliberal era, but all the way back to the start of colonial expansion.

** With manufacturing moving overseas and the denationalisation by various Liberal -and some Labor- governments.

*** consent manufacturing became harder to enforce

[1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-49687-y

[2] https://ourworldindata.org/trade-and-globalization

[3] https://www.bu.edu/gdp/2021/03/08/bailouts-from-beijing-how-china-functions-as-an-alternative-to-the-imf/

[4] https://www.worldscientific.com/doi/10.1142/S2377740023500173

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[+] -7 points 1 year ago* (34 children)
  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    The per capita affects all aussies at all levels. Thats the problem. If it was just more poor immigrants, people would not be protesting. Immigration increases gdp, not reduces it.

    Most immigrants that come are working age without kids. The pay taxes but get very little out from their taxes. Some choose to stay, if they can, and have kids, but if so, those kids are aussies, not immigrants.

    It’s not crap about us needing skilled migrants for many industries. We don’t have all the skills we need. However, those skilled workers are also the ones earning more than average, paying more taxes and increasing per capita gdp.

    If we turn off the immigrant tap, our education system collapses, as it’s now dependent on exports. Our hospital system is also understaffed and underfunded, so it worsens. Our inflation is generally seen to be under control currently, although it is at risk. Prices won’t drop if inflation drops, prices drop in a recession. That’s what we will have. A housing crash is not how you make housing affordable, look at Ireland, USA, Greece. They’ve all had one, their housing is not affordable, those that couldn’t afford houses when out priced can’t afford them when there is no bank willing to lend.

    What will get worse? Our economy. It’s already in recession, except for immigration. So, we will go into actual recession. Those extra numbers propping up retail, gone. Those workers doing jobs aussies won’t, like farm work. Gone, food inflation, not easing.

    We don’t need lower immigration numbers. We need services for the number of people entering. New schools, new roads, new hospitals, more public transport and more medium density housing.

    So, don’t blame the immigrants, they are here from the policies of both sides of our political system. Blame the libs who didn’t want to,pay for those services and just wanted cheap labor,

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  • [+] -4 points 1 year ago (13 children)
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Just here for accuracy, paragraph 3 addresses your last paragraph and matches your tone rather elegantly.

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  • [+] -3 points 1 year ago (11 children)
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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    Right... calling your foolishness out in a Lemmy thread alongside everyone else hereabouts is really doing a number on the English language. Will someone please think of the dictionaries in lieu of calling out this racist POS?

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  • [+] 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    You're blinkered by racist propaganda.

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  • [+] -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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    Racist propaganda that is easily debunked.

    One claim which spread online was that Australia was bringing in 1,500 new overseas arrivals each day. That claim was advanced by some conservative media outlets and picked up traction online among some supporters of the rally. But Rizvi and Gamlen said the number was inaccurate, and a misunderstanding of migration figures. That figure, they said, referred to overseas arrivals and departures (OAD) data – which is more about tourist arrivals than migrants. Media and online commentary about the issue led the Australian Bureau of Statistics to last week issue a stern rebuke and fact check, saying the use of OAD data “does not reflect the official ABS definition of migration and may lead to inaccurate conclusions on migration”. OAD data “is a count of border crossings rather than migration. It is best used to understand patterns in traveller movements, such as tourism trends and seasonal travel,” the ABS said. The bureau noted that someone on a temporary visa, who travelled in and out of Australia multiple times, would count as a visitor several times “even though they only migrated here once”. Rizvi said the use of that number by migration critics was “nonsense”.

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  • [+] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
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    Media and online commentary about the issue led the Australian Bureau of Statistics to last week issue a stern rebuke and fact check, saying the use of OAD data “does not reflect the official ABS definition of migration and may lead to inaccurate conclusions on migration”.

    I mean you walked onto your own intellectual landmine there; the cognitive dissonance is now your row to hoe. Given that burden there is little surprise in watching you devolve to emojis like every other nervous boomer caught in a lie. Also the the phrase was "Racist propaganda that is easily debunked," but we're not allowing reading comprehension to get in our way now are we?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    You're including Nazi talking points after the previous comment warned you about sounding like a Nazi.

    Nazi fuck, fuck off.

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  • [+] -2 points 1 year ago* (17 children)
  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    it was the specific reference to established people not having as many children that is a common neo-nazi dog whistle, then you assert that immigrants are having 8 kids and living on government handouts. Anecdotally the only people I've ever seen having 8 kids and living of government handouts is Shazza down the road, true blue Aussie.

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  • [+] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)
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    Nowhere is really having that many kids. The planet is already at peak child and population worldwide will decline in the coming years.

    Most home grown Aussies are the children or grandchildren of immigrants. This country is born of immigration. Fuck GDP figures and just sing the national anthem to yourself.

    For those who've come across the seas, WE'VE BOUNDLESS PLAINS TO SHARE. With courage let us all combine to Advance Australia fair.

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  • [+] -3 points 1 year ago (13 children)
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    No there isn't a difference, and you're massively racist to see one. You didn't even include western countries to seem impartial, you just hate that brown people exist in your country. Tough cookies bud, they're here, they're richer and smarter and more valued by society than you. It also probably won't change in your favour.

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    No, that's you. Racist fucking boomer that causes problems for everyone, and has no solutions

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I was born here but my ancestory is not. My family sides have been here post boer and korean wars. While 1 side spoke English before arriving, the other side had no English but still contributed to society in a meaningful way. By your logic, I'm one of these new wave immigrant children but I bet if you came to my pub you couldn't pick me out.

    People migrate to Australia to give their kids a chance of a better future. This isn't people taking advantage of anything. These are families using services not different to any other resident. We all get childcare, healthcare, education, police, fire, etc, because generations before us decided it was the right thing for all Australians.

    The sadest part is the longer a family resides in this country, the lazier each generation tends to get. Safety nets are a blessing and a curse.

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    I agree, vast influxes of people can be detrimental for a time including putting a strain on housing. I also agree immigrants are being used to score polical points. Immigrants are not the cause of the house crisis, bad policy has brought us to this point.

    The issues you have spoken about are not caused by immigration, sure immigration can put pressure issue or even make it worse but we should look at fixing the underlying issue rather than blaming people who weren't even in the country when the problem was created.

    We can fix the system.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Also, yes I agree there birthrate is higher in some parts of the world, particularly sub-Saharan Africa which has a large Muslim population. The number is dropping rapidly though.

    If you are truly interested in the rates, look up Hans Rosling and his talks about the changes in childbirth rates, mortality, etc. He passed away several years ago but his research is still valid and is a great indication of which direction the planet is moving. Spoiler: life is improving on most metrics for everyone on the planet.

    Stay positive my dude.

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