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‘No Kings’ demonstrator dies after being shot at Utah protest, police say (www.theguardian.com)
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[–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I saw another post here with pictures of this guy carrying his rifle at other protests. He may have just be a leftist 2nd amendment enthusiast.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Who was so enthusiastic he felt like he had to raise his rifle and move towards the crowd with it, to show his enthusiasm?

    I think he was about as leftist as the people on Lemmy who were super vocal about Gaza and the US economy, before the election, and then moved on and stopped caring about any of those issues or their relationship to the US presidential administration as soon as the election happened.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I really can't tell what "raised" means in this context. It doesn't say anywhere that he pointed his rifle at anyone. There isn't enough information in this story to infer intent. And I definitely can't deduce the political leaning of someone barely mentioned in a news story, regardless of your feelings on Gaza and the economy.

    1. He had a rifle.
    2. He was shot by unnamed people.
    3. The unnamed people also killed a bystander.
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  • [–] [S] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I really can’t tell what “raised” means

    "Raising a rifle" has a single fairly unambiguous meaning to most people I know; although we have only the story's word for that being what happened, it's not like a confusing type of description of events, along with the other elements (him retrieving the rifle instead of having it carried with him, running towards the crowd ignoring people trying to talk with him, and so on.) I actually think they did a pretty good job of explaining the circumstances which sort of clearly point to one conclusion, without doing anything other than presenting the factual circumstances.

    There isn’t enough information in this story to infer intent.

    If we assume that what's in the story is accurate, then yes, to me there is.

    And I definitely can’t deduce the political leaning of someone barely mentioned

    Correct. So why did you speculate that he may have been a leftist? I never said anything about his political leaning or the underlying motives.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    “Raising a rifle” has a single fairly unambiguous meaning to most people I know;

    Yep, it sure does. But this is a poorly written article from The Guardian. I'm not sure Brits know what an AR-15 is.

    If we assume that what’s in the story is accurate, then yes, to me there is.

    Don't assume anything. It makes you an ass.

    why did you speculate that he may have been a leftist?

    Because it's speculation. I see nothing in this one, poorly-written story that says anything other than some armed people in vests shot someone else carrying a rifle, and killed a bystander in the process. I'm almost certain the guy with the rifle didn't shoot anybody, but that's just...ahem...speculation.

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