"I think you are a disgusting vermin, and anyone remotely like you, should be killed."

"That's interesting. Let's unpack that."

You honestly think any kind of productive conversation is gonna happen between these two parties? Tolerance of intolerance in action, right here, folks.

I read people echoing Russian propaganda here all the time. 99% of the time they are just useful idiots

I think you should engage.

How else are you going to change minds than by engaging.

Censorship is what nazis do.

And even tho seeing nazis and nazism distresses me greatly I would rather talk with them and try use good sense and facts

because exclusion is only going to make them more set in their beliefs

@lodion The instance I noticed this on was activitypub.space. It is still not able to access content from aussie.zone.It sets NodeBB/<version> (url) in its user agent.

Yeah, i realised the admin angle I'd overlooked after I posted this and saw you'd responded this arvo as well.

I get every report about every community on the instance, even if I'm not listed on the Community. They come as notifications to my phone. It's pretty rare for any report to take longer than an hour or so to be looked at.

Lebensraum is a relatively infamous policy, and one which neo-Nazis like the NSN explicitly invoke.

Sorry. While I readily acknowledge that I don't hang out in those circles, nor really scrutinise their rhetoric, I have honestly never heard that phrase before. In English or German. This does paint the comment in a brighter light, and I probably would have been more inclined to remove it had I been familiar with the term.

As much as I tire of pro Palestine activism in Aussie spaces

Surely not as much as we tire of anti-Palestine actions being taken by our state and federal governments.

If Albanese's government were sanctioning Israel instead of selling weapons to help with their genocide, and if Crisafulli had banned pro-Israel messages rather than pro-Palestine ones, you would probably see a hell of a lot less pro-Palestine activism in Aussie spaces. Because for many of us, the activism isn't about directly affecting anything in the Middle East—we know we can't do that—it's about affecting how our own government acts in response.

To suggest that lebensraum is just some random policy that Germany happened to have in the '30s and '40s, and wasn't one of the core things that made the Nazis the Nazis (as in, the personification of and byword for evil itself that they have since become) is an absolutely wild take to have, in my view.

I screen capped it because I did not want to engage directly with a Nazi. But it was nevertheless important to publically call out that behaviour for what it was. I don't believe it has no effect to ban Nazis while also, in the relevant context, to use Nazis' words as examples of what to look out for with other Nazis. If others disagree with me there I would be happy to have a respectful conversation on the topic of whether my comment should have been removed or edited. But I do not believe that there is that nuance to be had with whether the Nazis themselves should be welcome.

I want to raise a point on the "Nazi talking points" response:

• On one hand, it's certainly more useful when a report is more specific, yes. I know plenty of fascist talking points which aren't common knowledge or obvious.
• On the other, it sounds like they're talking about Lebensraum - "living space". If we look at it technically, it was a common concept in German politics decades before the Nazi Party was formed. And it's a far cry away from the various social reforms implemented in the Third Reich you mentioned. But in context, I think it's clear that someone on aussie.zone reporting a post for "Nazi talking points" is reporting that a post is fascistic, supporting the supremacist aspects Nazism is famous for. People surely aren't going to report pro-vegetarian posts for this reason, or even anti-union posts (despite the crushing of worker's organisations being core to fascism).

Lebensraum is a relatively infamous policy, and one which neo-Nazis like the NSN explicitly invoke. They're never holding up banners saying "protect the wildlife", "support animal rights" or "fast roadways now!", this is the bigoted supremacy generally associated with Nazism and carried on by neo-Nazism.

If you delete all the users from your politics community that you don’t agree with, what is the point of the community?

But this isn't just "all the users you disagree with", or even just disagreement - if someone, when discussing an expansionist regime, tries to justify "living space", that makes me think that person might well want me thrown in a camp and killed. It's no smoking gun, but it's a loud wolfwhistle.

As much as I tire of pro Palestine activism in Aussie spaces, as no one is really going to disagree with it beyond minor things (like terrible slogan choices for example), that dude is definitely Zionist leaning towards Nazi. The all caps liar in response to old mate vastly understating initial incursion numbers and using the term exterminate in a subsequent “not enough ovens” type reply is pretty telling. Before I read the older thread I assumed it ironic as well but now I doubt it.

I don't see this as, as much of an acceptance of Nazis problem than a lack of moderator problem. There is one active moderator for that community, that moderator also happens to be a rather busy bloody bee, seeing as they are the AZ admin/owner, and they've stated their personal life business before.

This is a problem I'm actively concerned about with communities I moderate. I advocate for more moderators per community, and to ensure those moderators are still somewhat active.

If @lodion@aussie.zone wants help with moderation I can jump on board with the community in question.

I'd also advocate lodion inviting by P.M. another one or two people to help out with moderation as well. Because many hands = light work. And a bank of moderators could help smooth things when issues such as inactivity of mod accounts arise.

We're missing a bit of information here. I got your report, went to the thread to get the context.

Firstly, I saw that you had literally screen-capped the comment in question and included it in a new reply. So, removing the comment would have achieved nothing - it would have still been there.
Secondly, the comment was Zionistic in nature, which while especially unpopular in nature is not against instance rules.
Thirdly, I wasn't aware that the comment in question was similar to something Nazis said. I don't even know if the user who made the comment knew that. So, leaving it there and letting downvotes do their thing allowed for education as well.
Lastly, the comment was in the Australian Politics community - which is intentionally the lightest-touch moderated community because there's a difference between political discussion where parties disagree quite vehemently and an outright echo-chamber. If you delete all the users from your politics community that you don't agree with, what is the point of the community?

To answer your question: No, we don't allow Nazis here. It is literally one of the questions we ask on the application screen. "Nazi talking points" is not on its own a good metric of what is acceptable today. We basically have a whole community in support of Reichsnaturschutzgesetz. I don't especially take issue with Tierschutz, either. One of the reasons the Third Reich gained actual popular support was some of their early policies were in fact in the best interest of the German people. There is still a Kindergeld today, though giving full credit to the Nazis to that one wouldn't really be genuine. It is fair to say they supported this policy. So I guess our stance on "literal Nazi talking points" will boil down to other factors and get taken on a case-by-case basis.

Finally: If there's a user you genuinely don't wish to see around here any longer, you can hit the little down arrow on any of their comments and block them.

It's not ironic when the nation of Israel is actually acting like Nazis.

I'm an aussie.zone user commenting on !meta@aussie.zone to understand the aussie.zone admins' and users' stance. I'm not sure what any of your comment has to do with this.

wouldn't that be ironic use of the phrase? making the jews seem like nazi's?

It was a user suggesting that Jews need "living space" (exact words) and that this justifies Israel's multiple invasions of its neighbours.

Lemmy.ml is super commie and Nazis are anti commie, I don't understand how this is a coherent line of thinking

The "Nazi talking points" that aren't mentioned could be a bait, and be something as simple as anti communism or economic reforms that stimulate production/employment through public works (e.g. the autobahn)

They may not be the things the Nazis are hated for...

I don't see the point in beating around the bush.

A glance at the homepage tells us that Nazism would break the first 3 instance rules, there's no reason to expect it to be allowed. The difficulty comes when bigoted rhetoric is subtle enough to go unrecognised, or has been normalised. So it would help to know which comment is repeating which talking points.

FWIW I'm not okay with Nazis and their Nazi bullshit. I can be a dickhead online for sure, but I'm pro-peace and anti-genocide.

This is a user on aussie.zone on the meta community of aussie.zone talking about a user of aussie.zone.

And it's bizarre and ridiculous to claim that lemmy.ml allows Nazis.