I've canceled my sub once they announced moving towards AI, and I'm using one of the perpetual licenses I have, i think it's 2023 or 2024. (In case you don't know, you can use the version you've been subbed to for a year forever even if you unsub).

So far, didn't have any issues. I only work on Unity games, though, so I don't really use much features, and I do anything other than C# in LazyVim.

@jaapio I have yet to find a similar powerful tool with such a low learning curve.I tried a lot of tools but came always back to Jetbrains.But perhaps it's time to.look again...Is Eclipse still a thing? 🤔/cc @supergarv @jetbrains

@supergarv @jetbrains I'm considering stopping using jetbrains IDE because of the overload of AI tooling that's being pushed. I'm using phpstorm for more than 10 years. A few years ago I said, I cannot work without that tooling. But with so many processes watching my work, the application becomes slower, sometimes the auto completion is confusing me more than it helps. And the terminal completion is blocking my regular flow of work. Breaking my customized shellPlease give us an IDE.

That line is a negative, but the other lines are positive. Being able to set policies for AI on an organizational level is a positive. Limiting costs is also a desired feature.

@CameronDev fair point 👍

The description was going on about following rust best practices, so I thought it was basically clippy.

Had a little play, it is a more general refactoring tool it seems.

Bad description from Jetbrains undersells it.

@CameronDev I use clippy a lot with pedantic and nursery lints. This is completely different.

Arguably clippy already does this, without requiring AI.

Why the old ass screenshot lol

I have canceled my subscription the moment they started spending development time on AI hype instead of their core product.

I can still use the fallback licence (you keep the version you've paid a year for, i.e 2023, forever), and I will do so until it stops working, while transitioning to other editor wherever possible (nvim in my case, which I've already gotten used to pretty well thanks to ideaVim)

Until they stop with the overhyped AI bullshit, I won't get a new version. And, seeing how they beg for user data in the most uncanny blogpost possible, that'll probably be never.

It's a shame, I liked jetbrains.

Eclipse Theia isn't classic Eclipse. It's basically a remake (not a fork) of VS Code, designed to be backwards compatible with VSC extensions. They even have their own plugin registry at https://open-vsx.org/ to avoid Microsoft's lock-in strategy that plagues forks like VSCodium.

The only Jetbrains product I've used is CLion, and I didn't like it because of how bloated it was. My PC fans would kick in every time I launched it, and none of the refactoring/auto-complete features were good enough to convince me to switch from Sublime Text + LSP plugin. At the same time, my work has forced me to become a build systems expert, so I have no problems having to set up everything myself. Project templates in Jetbrains IDEs may be a hard requirement for some, which I totally understand.

@entwine and a footnote, where I am located, I’m legally not allowed to call myself an engineer.

@entwine I’m denouncing the principle. The software, at that point, I will see when I will renew, in amost a full year (I just did renewed few days ago…)I’m was using eclipse before I switched to PhpStorm, more than 10 years ago. At that time, Eclipse auto-complete for PHP was in my projects totally irevelant. I will see. Maybe @jetbrains will fix it’s mistake. Otherwise, I will see. Maybe eclipse got better since. Or maybe [neo]vim? I will see, later.

Use Sublime Text, or something opensource like Eclipse Theia.

Sure, you may have to learn how to configure the stuff IntelliJ does out of the box, but that will make you a better engineer so it's a win-win

Once they started pushing the AI shit, I immediately unsubscribed and am sticking to my perpetual/fallback (or whatever is it called) license. I don't see any reason to continue paying for new versions and features, when most of those new features are AI related, and I slowly started transitioning into nvim.

Also, I really hate the tone in which this blogpost is written. As if crying in a blog post changes anything about how extremely anti-consumer this move is. Fuck off, JetBrains.

imagine if your hammer took a picture every time it was swung while tracking the swing trajectory and force and sent it to a thousand unknown people

Bro patent that idea before Big Tech realize it's gold!

What frustrates me most is that jetbrains had a winning formula

They made, imo, the best ide's, striking the balance between intuitive and useful without drifting too far into bloat

I just don't vibe with jetbrains wanting access to my code and data and how i use the ide itself - imagine if your hammer took a picture every time it was swung while tracking the swing trajectory and force and sent it to a thousand unknown people

its just fucking weird and its fucking weird that jetbrains presses this onto us - even as an opt-in its wierd

Even at it most innocent, and not the reality of trying to build the tool that ousts us out of our trade and craft, i still dont want some code cuck sitting in the corner of my periphery hyperventilating on every keystroke and variable name i make

@pauleveritt @wsvincent @jetbrains @pycharm @khalidabuhakmeh It looks more like you just told a terrible dad joke that didn't land, which Khalid should definitely approve of 😂

@wsvincent @jetbrains @pycharm So @khalidabuhakmeh saw this and said @t_redactyl “looks like she's concerned, visiting her befuddled dad sitting next to her”.Jodie, do something about this outrage!

That is good to remove. Here is my phpstorm settings where I disable the irritation but still have it run in the background to keep some editor bugs from happening.

I keep on the full line completion suggestions, but I disable the automatic completion on typing.

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My opinion, as a non-programmer, but who works in the IT field and occasionally writes code, is that it is easier to find and identify code that does not do precisely what you want it to do, than it is to write all of the code from scratch.

It saves me a lot of time and effort in, like, laying out the cases and structures and files and subsections and classes that I would have otherwise spent, which are mostly pointless wasted time, and then instead allows me ro focus on what actually needs to accomplish the output I was looking for.

To be fair, once again, I am not a competent programmer at all.

Using these tools merely allows me to accomplish things that I would not have otherwise been able to accomplish on my own without a much larger investment of time and effort.

I have used them for php, ruby , database and c the last decade; spent thousands of hours using their editor.

While I had several issues and reported bugs during that time, I had no breaking changes.

Then last year I simply did not update at all. I rolled back to the last version in 2023 because the bugs from the new ai were so bad, I could not even copy paste without pasting as text only. Dozens of other new issues. Many of them, I think, only happened with large code bases.

I lost confidence in them, I am still using the last version of last year, have not looked at the bs of latest version.

Their code base was fragile, they always had issues after a major upgrade. But the new AI layer probably caused issues that will not be resolved, never mind the nonsense of whatever marketing is dictating this year

Even with it off, the autocomplete has been made less useful from previous years.

and that fact really destroyed my year-long appreciation of the engineering at JetBrains.

also you can no more auto-complete to symbols defined elsewhere in your project. what a joke.

a year ago or so i wrote a more detailed report at their issue tracker and the response was essentially that it will evolve and hallucinations should be gone with the next update. at that point i was evaluating the "feature" involuntarily for roughly half a year and noticed only that it behaved worse and worse.

but you can turn this resource exhaustion actually off. it's just irresponsible that this isn't the default.

I turned it off in the options. It was too much energy for me to keep dismissing, parsing, or correcting.

Even with it off, the autocomplete has been made less useful from previous years.

Even worse, many other features, like highlighting and syntax parsing do not work as well with the AI turned all the way off. I finally found, with trial and error, a balance I could live with (allow it to run in background but limit what it displays to me)

The only reason I have not permanently rolled back to the best version before last year is because of language and docker changes.

But, I am ready to jump ship