[–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Once the PCB is heat soaked its basically useless at thermal disippation because fibreglass/resin (PCB) is an insulator. There is research being done to make micro channels into the silicon to directly water cool the chips but i doubt it will eer get to market or even be made for industry though

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Some other factors to consider:

    • Parallel-to-slot (long) fins can make it harder to effectively use multiple fans because the airflow directions (once the air is redirected upon hitting the GPU heatsink) will clash between each fan (see image).
    • Heatpipe design might be simpler or better when the pipes are mostly-straight across the perpendicular-to-slot (short) fins compared to having to have bent pipes of much more variable length.
    • Short fins themselves might be easier or cheaper in manufacturing somehow?
    • Long fins can mean that air spends more time being heated before being ejected (making its average temperature higher before ejection, lowering heat transfer).

    A crudely-drawn diagram of GPU fans directing airflow towards each other when heatsink fins are arranged length-wise (parallel to the PCIe slot).

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 1 year ago

    Well of course and so is the lid of the processor die and the material used to paste the lid onto the die.

    When I think of cooling, I first think of the processor die's surface area, then the lid, then the heatsink after which come the fans.
    The heatsink being an important part here, since that determines how much of a difference a fan will make.

    e.g. I recently changed the heatsink on my SSD from the one provided with the motherboard to another one with some fins and placed a NF-A4x10 (x20 was unavailable) to point in its direction to get ~4℃ (yeah, just that and it is still ~15℃ over ambient, when idle (state 4)) of better cooling performance. Though I am yet to experiment with other fan directions and the fins are not particularly made to be used with a fan either. But still, a design with fins would be better than just a block of metal.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    you cant really compare the heat output of the 2 cards

    Yeah, that's the main reason I didn't try to be comprehensive about it.

    gpu fans arr designed for high static pressure

    I hope so. The fans along with the rest of the cooling system on the ASRock card seems just low quality, as compared to the MSI one (and I would have bought an MSI card if it were available at the time) and that is reflected in the memory temps, despite me making sure that it had a thermal pad, connecting the heatsink to the memory modules, unlike the ASUS cards.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    This is what one of our engineers found out when trying to pick an orientation for an FPGA heatsink on a board, fins inline with the chassis fans or perpendicular and he found that the perpendicular placement stayed cooler since the heatsink had a fan blowing the hot aire to both sides and the chassis fans blowing it away than having the fan on the heatsink fight the incoming air from one side and exhaust from one side

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Speculation: the airflow on the GPU fans completely dominates the airflow on the GPU's heatsink, making "ambient" airflow direction essentially irrelevant for airflow that goes directly across that heatsink except as it pertains to reaching those GPU fans.

    Having the short-fin direction also allows significantly more "exhaust area" for the GPU's hot air than the long-fin direction (effectively both long sides are "GPU exhaust" instead of both short sides being "GPU exhaust") and additionally the exhaust that would face into the front of the case -- which I assume would be less efficient due it fighting incoming airflow -- doesn't have to be used.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    570 TDP is 150w 14nm 7600 165w 6nm

    Sorry but you cant really compare the heat output of the 2 cards.

    If you had a passive cooler airflow would make a difference but the fans on a GPU are what do the cooling. The only thing those front fans do is provide cold air. The gpu fans arr designed for high static pressure, something a fan not touching the fin stack can't do.

    Also changing the orientation of the GPU can have negative effects due to the heat pipes being designed for a specific orientation. See AMD 7xxx reference card debacle.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    I have seen my old RX 570 from MSI, work much cooler even with an absurd amount of dust in it than the ASRock 7600 and also noticed after the recent upgrade to my front inlet fans that they hardly made a difference to the GPU temps, which lead me to put some brain-time into modelling the airflow due to this GPU's fins.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    All raspberry alternatives have the same major problem of SW support. It's always a pain to deal with.

    My main NAS for about 4 years was built around a Rockchip SBC and HW video acceleration was only available on an ancient kernel version and a distro provided by the manufacturer distributed on an obscure Google Drive. I gave up on that feature and decided to run the latest Armbian release on it and it was working pretty reliably, but it was frustrating experience overall.

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