dedmbina

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the battery life with coreboot is the one thing that keeps me away from framework; but honestly i would jump ship if framework could sweeten the pot a little bit like by offering macbook-like quality speakers and/or a display that's just as bright that i enjoy on my work laptops

What they do not sell is an option for preinstalling Linux, unlike S76 or Tuxedo.

does this mean that they come with windows pre-installed? if so, is it an oem license? does it cost more than nothing pre-installed (assuming that's an option).

It's so massive. I've never had a gaming laptop, only thin an light laptops (for their respective eras).

I had a Dell Inspiron in ~2004 that was worse in every way imaginable (made me swear off Dell forever) and was twice as thick as the Framework 16, with bit smaller screen, and heavier by far, and my point is I had to carry that in a bog standard messenger bag 15 miles in the snow uphill both ways every day and you kids today are spoiled with your macbook airs and get the hell off my lawn!

Honestly I mostly use it at home and if I travel with it I walk it to the car and then from the car into wherever, and back again. In a bog standard messenger bag no less. If you need portability first and foremost, on the go NYC jetsetter riding the rails or whatever, yeah, get the more portable one lol, duh! I had to make my old man joke though, despite completely agreeing with you haha.

They have a dedicated Linux support team, who also regularly chime in in the community forums.

They provide firmware and BIOS updates directly via LVFS.

They choose Linux-compatible components for usually unsupported peripherals like fingerprint readers. All hardware works OOTB (at least with Fedora).

They provide detailed instructions on how to setup two of the most popular distros, and the DIY editions are sold without an OS and they explicitly approve Linux installs :

Q: Can I install Linux? A: Yes! We have official support for Ubuntu LTS and Fedora, along with installation guides and community support for additional distros.

The BIOS is unfortunately closed source (I think I recall majors pains with Coreboot with early generation Intel laptops that lead them to shelve it), but works OOTB.

What they do not sell is an option for preinstalling Linux, unlike S76 or Tuxedo. But honestly, who cares? Linux users are opinionated enough to stick a USB installer of their favorite distro before first boot anyway.

BTW performance and battery life are great. My 16 used to idle at around 9W in balanced mode and native resolution, my 13 is currently idling at 6W despite using 150% fractional scaling and balanced mode.

Agreed. I have a desktop for power, my fw13 is basically just a thin client. And it's still very capable.

@eldavi @Wfh dedmbina runs fine on the framework 12

They don't use coreboot/libreboot, but they do ship UEFI updates via LVFS

They have official support with suggested distros for most models https://frame.work/linux

First party Linux support?

what does this mean?

my last few purchases came from linux-only vendors because i learned the expensive & hard way that slapping a linux distro on a laptop intended for windows gets you dramatically inferior performance from things like the battery life.

buying hardware intended for linux or open source (eg coreboot, libreboot, open firmware, etc.) leads to a night-and-day experience compared to windows-focused systems and i was always under impression that frameworks only sold window-focused hardware but with a bigger price tag.

Yup

Once upon a time, seeing the high resolution on a 13 inch display would have been no problem. Now, the 16 is definitely nicer for that. :)

I appreciate you phrasing that in such a way that it sounded like I had a chance. lol

I guess I just can't imagine wanting to use a laptop in those situations.

I sold it to a friend before ordering the 13, sorry :D

Can I just.. like.. have your FW16?

Depends on the use case

I'm often developing on site and just the bigger display is a win in itself.

But I'm using it as a portable desktop - although I run around in warehouses with it...

Why not just get a mini pc. They're much more compact than any laptop

I have a 13. My father in law just bought a 16. So I’ve got good runtime on both. He uses the 16 AS a powerful desktop - one that can be easily disconnected and taken on the go. The 16 fills that use case perfectly.

But if you already have a powerful desktop - the 13 makes SO much more sense.

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I might just be weird, but I feel like I'm the only person who wants a dGPU slot in a 13-inch laptop. The 16 is just too big, even for gaming.

The 13 isn't powerful enough for high-end gaming and the 16 is impractically large.

why not keep the Synology as use it for storage only?

Oh that might be a my-bad; it shows up as posted/updated 7 hours ago for me because the edit time replaces the original post time on Voyager (at least)

the EDIT: This aged like milk was about that. Also, this post is almost a year old, why are people still commenting?

You clearly missed the news yesterday lol

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