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What Net Worth Puts You in the Upper, Middle & Lower Class? (www.youtube.com)
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I found the graph at 10:55 to be especially interesting because it shows how someone with around the median income ($65k) can make it to the lower upper class by retirement through some discipline (10% saved per year).

As a quick TL;DW, here are the median incomes, net worth, and percent of population for each class:

  • lower - $34k income, $3.4k net worth (many are negative) - 25%
  • middle
    • lower - $44k income, $71k net worth - 20%
    • middle - $81k income, $159k net worth - 20%
    • upper - $117k income, $307k net worth - 20%
  • upper
    • lower - $189k income, $747k net worth - 10%
    • upper - $378k income, $2.5M net worth - 5%

Some questions to spark discussion:

  • Do you agree with his breakdown of the economic classes? Why or why not?
  • What strategies do you think someone in each category should take to improve their situation?
  • If you don't mind sharing, what class do you think you're in, and does the breakdown match your experience?
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What Net Worth Puts You in the Upper, Middle & Lower Class? (www.youtube.com)
submitted 2 years ago by to c/fire@lemmy.ml
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I watched this video a couple weeks ago, and while it has nothing to do with FI, I thought it was quite interesting how he divides the economic classes. TL;DW:

  • lower class ($34k income, $3400 net worth) - ~25% of population - truly struggle with emergencies and flirt w/ the federal poverty line; net worth is pretty much nothing (often negative!) due to student debt
  • middle class - three categories (lower, middle, upper)
    • lower ($44k income, $71k net worth) - ~20% population - identify more with middle-middle class and tend to get into more debt than necessary by trying to keep up with the Joneses, but could be financially stable w/ some discipline
    • middle ($81k income, $159k net worth) - ~20% - financially stable, most of assets are in home
    • upper ($117k income, $307k net worth) - ~20% - passive income and compound interest supplement income; some live paycheck-to-paycheck due to lifestyle inflation (i.e. keep up w/ next group), but some can do really well with investments
  • upper class - two categories (lower and upper)
    • lower ($189k income, $747k net worth) - ~10% - specialized professions; most people can get into the lower upper class with discipline (10% savings rate on $65k salary => $787k investments by age 50); little pressure from everyday expenses
    • upper ($378k income, $2.5M net worth) - ~5% - some college grads working as employees, but a lot of these are business owners

At each level, I see two types of people:

  • savers - have enough cash to weather emergencies, tend to have upward mobility
  • everyone else - tend to stay in that economic class, and may regress in retirement; routinely keep up with the Joneses and stay in debt

I personally have been in the middle to upper middle class for most of my career (started in lower middle class, but that quickly changed), and I'm shooting for lower-upper class to upper-upper class in early retirement. I didn't get any inheritance and don't expect any, and I haven't been particularly lucky with my investments (for every major win, I can show an equal major mistake), I've just been very frugal. Some details:

  • car(s) - single car for most of my married life; currently have two at 16 and 17 years old; I do most of my own maintenance
  • house - bought in mid-late 20s and haven't moved
  • savings rate - was 45%, but it's now 35-40%
  • current income - upper-middle class range, might get to lower-upper class if I stick with my career; about half my career was middle-middle class
  • FI target - something like $50-60k spending/year, or $1.5-2M; I plan to be FI around mid-40s, and I intend to keep earning income after FI, but the nature of my work will change

Anyway, I really enjoyed this video, and I think it's interesting to compare myself to the various breakdowns, as well as forward to people who argue that the main thing keeping them down is income (despite being middle-middle class or above).

What do you think? Do you agree with the breakdown? What do you think the "minimum" income range is for someone who'd like to pursue FI?