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[–] 2 points 7 months ago

Tje lesson is do not start a war of aggression (usa and israel) or celebrating one (Nato minus spain)

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    [+] 19 points 7 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    How many billions dead people is that worth to you?

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Conservative estimates are at 250k dead due to climate change each year starting 2030 and that is going to happen even if we go to zero emissions right now. The more we emit, the worse it is going to get. So far the war is at less then 10,000 deaths total. Obviously it is impossible to predict, but it could well net save lifes if you include climate deaths.

    Obviously this should have been done without the war.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (4 children)

    The carrying capacity of this planet without fossil fuels is less than half a billion people. You do not want a fast exit from fossil fuels.

    We're already running out of middle destillates right now, so there's your exit willy-nilly.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    The world population was at about a billion in 1804 and we do have better technologies today, which should increase the carrying capacity quite a lot. Also a lot of countries have falling populations already and fertility rates are below replacement on all continents but Africa today.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    Can you name a few better technologies, which don't depend on fossil fuels (renewable energy sources do, as do fertilizers, industrial agriculture, transport and others).

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    I don't know whether you're right about inevitable dependencies, but surely reducing fossil fuel use to the essentials would still be a huge and worthwhile improvement? It feels like your argument is needlessly suggesting an all-or-nothing approach.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    My argument is that we're not abandoning fossil fuels, but rather that fossil fuels are abandoning us. We have no degrees of freedom, no agency in the matter. And that void won't be substituted by anything else but classical biofuels and a small fraction of legacy wind, hydro and geothermal. Running a small population at roughly Edo period Japan technology level.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    "Should" doing a lot of heavy lifting here

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    actually its been the reverse, since it trump has lifted russian oil sanctions they are selling in record numbers again.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, they all said the same thing when Russia attacked Ukraine. It didn't happen.

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    [–] 23 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    Yeah the one good thing to come out of this shitty marvel movie plot quality situation.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    "Should" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. I'm not holding my breath.

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  • [–] 32 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Maybe this was Trump’s plan all along. I knew deep down he loves the planet and trees. The pedo capitalist fascist mask is just a cover for a loveable treehugger.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Definitely a good start on dismantling the auto industry. Cancelling all those investments into new technology in favor of eking out just a few final years with the old stuff. In a mere few years, all that messy manufacturing will be gone over to China and millions more Americans can just sit and relax in front of their TV’s

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    You would think so. It's the sane thing to do.

    Yeah, it's not going to happen.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Good. We shouldn't have these old ass fuel sources still dominating our society. We are better than that

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Now if the UN, the most powerful (lol) body in the world has said it, it’ll definitely (lololol) happen!

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