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One of the first things Trump did his first term was gut the USDA's rural investment arm. Why? Because if his supporters were made poorer and more frustrated they would blame it on someone else and be more likely to turn out to vote. It worked. Probably doesn't help Fox didn't report on it.
Yea. It's like some kind of masochism but like without the self awareness.
I doubt Trump was thinking that far ahead. It's far more likely that he did it simply because big Ag was backing him and they don't need the subsidies to survive like small farmers do.
Yeah the homeless are buying his ballroom, nametags for existing institutions, and his crypto scams
You can improve the comic by removing the labels on the peasants' shirts.
I have read an entire book about authoritarian personality research. This meme is accurate as labelled.
If the intent is to convey a political message and contribute in a small way to changing some people's minds, removing the labels could result in some right-wingers giving more thought to the actual content of the comic instead of automatically seeing it as an attack on them and ignoring it.
Respectfully, that's not how you change people's minds. You change people's minds by pitching an idea exactly in the grey area of their uncertainty, to where they aren't sure how they feel yet and they're receptive to a new thought.
Broad shifts in perspective are rare and highly individual, memes just aren't reliably going to be the pliers you use to pull that tooth. Usually people need direct experiences with the 'other' to soften on their hardline stances.
Could the "unreliable memes" fall under being counterproductive?
My guy this is internal memes. Everyone here is some degree of left
I sympathise with the part of this shitposting community who would rather find shitposts and not commentary on political parties.
Trying to carve out spaces that are free from political speech is inherently a political stance. I don't relish that we live in political times either, but that isn't a good solution.
One retired medicare recipient had $800m of our money (on paper, not in actual fact).
Mmm yes sow more division daddy
If one side wants people like me and my partner to die, I'm okay with dividing them away from me.
So, you’re anti-Muslim? Or just anti an extremely small minority of Christians that the MSM tells you is everyone who disagrees with you?
Most members of abrahamic faiths are overwhelmingly homophobic. Definitely not a minority.
Homophobic does not equal wanting you dead. Muslims are the only one in the majority that want gays to be killed. Jews and Christians tolerate LGBT peoples.
1- Not true, christians want gays dead too 2- Homophobia itself is something that kills, if you're unaware.
No Christian wants gay people killed. Maybe someone cosplaying as a Christian, but no Christians. It’s against all Christian doctrines.
No True Scotsman fallacy.
Christians wish death upon gay men all the time.
I will reiterate that homophobia kills, and christians are indefensibly homophobic, as a fact.
There's a lot that's against christian doctrines. The vast majority don't care to follow most/all of them.
Except if you look at all of Christian history and all of Christian doctrine you would understand that it’s not the No True Scotsman fallacy. It’s literally against all of what Jesus taught. He went so far as to teach that hating someone is equivalent to killing them. Just because some people choose to claim Christianity and do non-Christian things does not negate the core of Christianity.
It doesn't matter what Christianity teaches because Christians act against Christianity all the time— this is reflected in their prejudices that are specific amongst them.
It's not "some", homophobia is the default amongst Christianity.
It's wildly fallacious to suggest the majority of christians *don't * hate gay men.
Again, almost no Christians hate other people. Jew, Muslim, Gay, Queer, etc there is no hate. Not approving of the lgbt lifestyle is not hate.
Attacking them is, though. Putting them in camps to “fix” them is, though. Chemically castrating them is, though. Passing legislation to make it a crime is, though.
Yeah, you say that when so many lgbt children lose their lives when their parents don't accept them.
Christianity kills lgbt people.
Then let’s look at modern Christianity. Let’s look at what they are doing right now, because that’s where we all are, that’s what’s relevant and that is their truth.
This is like when conservatives try the old “LiNCoLn WuZ A rePuBLiCaN!” That’s completely fucking irrelevant to modern times, nomenclature, culture, and politics, and that includes religion, none of them are the same thing they were 2000 years ago and it’s absurdly stupid to imply that they are. Look at them for what they are.
Sure, let’s look at modern times. Not being anti- gay marriage rights, not being anti-adult trans rights, supporting women in the workplace, supporting other religions rights, etc. I’d say that except for not actively supporting transing kids, Christians are the most supportive group in the U.S.
You really don’t pay attention to politics do you? There is this guy, Pete Hegseth, maybe look into the things he’s been saying lately. He runs our military. He’s actively trying to instigate Armageddon. That’s not an interpretation, that’s what he’s actively advocating for. That’s why we are tag teaming with Israel against Palestine. You christians are actively trying to being about the end of days for your stupid faith.
That’s often a train of thought people experience when justifying their allegiance with history’s greatest monsters.
Like lefties who support communism even though communists have killed more people in all of human history than any other ideology? Except for maybe, no wait they were communists too.
So, every leftist is a communist?
Edit: Fun fact, guess which brand of government killed more people than anyone else, ever, and committed the largest and most successful genocide human history has ever experienced in the name of christian theology, sadism, and capitalism and has kept a very firm boot on the neck of the survivors and their offspring for the past 500 or so years? Follow up! Guess what they did directly following that, for almost 250 years? Here’s a hint, it’s a close second place on the body count scoreboard, and number one in the sadistic theology based crimes against humanity category.
Hint: It’s capitalism.
fun fact: most muslims live in indonesia, and do not in fact stone gay people.
Child-raping president? Yeah I'll take division.
Biden’s not president anymore buddy. You can stop bringing him up.
So, did you just blow in from stupid town?
What, you think Biden is still president?
Do you? You’re the one bringing him up. Everyone else here seems to have a grasp on reality and the fact that Biden is an entirely irrelevant figure on the current stage and that the current administration is a pedophile white power rally, but that’s not a problem for you unless they’re one of those evil leftist democrats, right?
Also, everybody here hates Biden, too, but not because he isn’t kissing the rings, you’re just yelling from the far side. Lemmy isn’t a democrat support group, in case you haven’t caught on.
Edit: Just to be clear, since you’re obviously not up to date on your current events, there are more than two political systems and beliefs in the world, and democrats and republicans share the exact same one.
i love politics in my shitpost com
i'm genuinely sorry if this post darkened your day, I don't like upsetting people unnecessarily and I totally understand that it can be exhausting, but for me, it's not just politics, there is a solid chunk of the world who want me to suffer and die, and I need to do everything in my power to try and build momentum to remove those people from power.
much love & solidarity to you
I need to do everything in my power to try and build momentum to remove those people from power.
You must be confused, posting in a shitpost community on lemmy of all places is literally doing fuck all, you're not reaching out to anyone, all you're doing is getting upvotes from the echo chamber
There's someone on facebook right now posting in the take back america group that transgender lefties are gay and retarded and getting the same upvotes, it means nothing, you're not changing anyones mind
to be 100% clear nobody around here is right wing or conservative, you've chased them all away and you even scare most centre right and centre people as well
you know how trump has this method of madness called flooding the zone? you guys have this thing of flooding the lemmy, doesn't matter if I'm in pics for non-political pictures of things, memes for non-political memes, or even a damn gardening comm, somehow you always end up posting about american politics and a lot of us are sick of it
thanks for sharing your thoughts, respectfully, I disagree, but I hope you have a great day regardless!
Hey! Thanks for making this place worse and driving people back to other platforms! Have a nice day!
you know you can just make your own community that bans political posts, or indeed, anything you don't like, right?
Hey! Yes if you look at my profile you'll see I've done just this for some comms of mine. You can click on my name to see my profile.
However I have no interest in creating a second Lemmy Shitpost purely to stop rabid Anti-Americanisms, maybe one day but not today.
Many of us would just prefer it if you could take a fuckin hint and stop spamming anti-American shit all over the place.
Hope your day is going great and you can consider others when you throw your litter on the ground instead of telling them to go make another planet :)
Hey friend it's a lot easier to not be shitty when someone disagrees with you, than to triple down on being shitty. Also: this comic doesn't even mention America, you added it yourself
¯\(ツ)/¯
You're being very normal about this.
Go touch a spider or whatever you Australians do instead of touching grass
okay, just checking! take care <3
Your complaining is more annoying than the post itself.
welcome to my world, all day I have to listen to americans complaining and bitching about america and some of you like @bearboiblake@pawb.social think they're doing me a favour!
imagine if my complaints here were the top 10 posts on this site and posted hundreds of times a day, yeah you'd probably be a bit unhappy as well
Oh, don't get me wrong, I wouldn't do, or intend to do you any favours.
If a country is gonna be fucking fascist, people are gonna "bitch" about it, because it's fucking fascist (I'm also not an american).
Also if your posts were the top 10, thats clearly what people want to see, and if I didn't like it I'd go do something else because I have a life outside of the internet.
btw that's really cool of you to go through my profile and downvote all my posts, definitely something someone who has a life outside of the internet would do
Oh, don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t do, or intend to do you any favours.
Thanks!
If a country is gonna be fucking fascist, people are gonna “bitch” about it, because it’s fucking fascist (I’m also not an american).
That's cool and we have comms for that, however now they are bitching up in every comm
Also if your posts were the top 10, thats clearly what people want to see, and if I didn’t like it I’d go do something else because I have a life outside of the internet.
Cool then why comment on my post, just go do something else?
I want less people on American servers making american billionaires richer, I want people to spread out and try and help bring back the old web
and having america sucks radio blasting full beans 24x7 is driving people away, meaning less interesting content here (hence all the dead comms) and less people (hence the chronically online weirdo americans 24x7), and more people on reddit/tiktok/facebook etc
Sorry my complaining is so hard to hear, feel free to block me
Just post your political stuff in a political memes community. Posting this relentless depressing shit here does not make me want you to suffer less, I can tell you that, no matter how much "love and solidarity" you follow it up with.
The pain and discomfort we feel from being confronted with reality can be depressing when we feel powerless to change it, but we aren't powerless. We can change it. But to change it, we need to raise awareness of the issue, and we need to raise class consciousness. I'm sorry to hear that you want me to suffer, but I'll take it for the opportunity to help others gain more class consciousness, because that is how we build a revolution.
Literally nobody on this website was unaware of what was in this comic strip, and how dare you tell me under what conditions I feel what I feel?
Maybe, maybe not, but this post has sparked discussions in the comments where people are learning about class consciousness, so IMO, it's a good thing.
I'm sorry that you're feeling depressed and I hate that I added to that, and I'm sorry for assuming - would you like to explain what you're feeling and why? I would gladly be a sympathetic ear, and we could maybe work together to find something hopeful amongst it all?
Much love & solidarity
You have demonstrated yourself as wholly unsuitable for that task, and your wishes of "love and solidarity" sound condescending at best. The socialist equivalent of "I'll pray for you."
But I am not feeling depressed; I merely find the incessant deluge of heavy content in a community supposed to be for lighthearted shit to be depressing.
I'm sorry you feel that way, and your feelings are totally valid. I promise I'm being completely authentic, I care deeply about trying to reduce suffering among as many living beings as possible, but I recognize that progress is impossible without some level of discomfort.
All the best!
Risk: alienation of allies who need a break
Eventual potential outcome: creation of new space with strong prohibition on political content
anecdote etc
Last year I saw a tenacious activist get booted from a large group chat for discussing humanitarian crises. It is more than likely that the vast majority of the people in the group shared the opinion of the activist. It came to mind, though a person who Worked at an NGO all day and all week, and wanted to come to the group chat on the weekend to Find out about live music, and they were forced to relive the horrors of their work week. Limiting their ability to recharge. Impacting Their work performance. Impacting lives of those it's their job to help.
There's also a world where no one ever wants to talk about anything difficult ever, I know.
I want to be aware of Of every individual walking the planet And be considerate Wherever the heart demands, and there are very strong Factors Which make it easy to pose a cost-benefit analysis To undermine my point. So I write without prescription here, food for thought
But I am not feeling depressed; I merely find the incessant deluge of heavy content in a community supposed to be for lighthearted shit to be depressing.
Life is suffering, dear friend... but your suffering has brightened my day, thank you for sharing your sads
Go find an apoliticist community to post in, we don't want any apoliticists here.
Who is "we" ? If it's a bunch of American dickheads who have turned this place into a ghost town then fuck off, you're driving people back to reddit
Normal people, who like politics. We like to watch political movies like Star Wars and read political books like A Song of Ice and Fire. We're the majority in every country and every culture.
You must be confused, Lemmy is for the most part dead, you don't represent most people, you represent a tiny group of leftwing progressives who put weird shit like
Goddess of madness and rebirth. Excrucian Strategist. Capitalised They/Them. Anarcho-Antireal theorist.
In their profiles.
You're not most people so don't even think of responding on behalf of them.
Most people went back to reddit after realising this place was full of left wing weirdos
You must be confused, Lemmy is for the most part dead,
Why are you here then?
Most people went back to reddit after realising this place was full of left wing weirdos
Ah, rightoid trolling.
That sounds like a bunch of people who are even more politically engaged than most. So they're even more correct than they otherwise implied.
Well I think you'll find that in addition to politics, most people like progress. They want society to become better over time. Better technology, better culture, better art, better governance. Most people are progressives, at least in theory. Now, most of them don't act like they like progress, and they don't act like they like politics either, but they do. And if you can avoid triggering any thought terminating cliches and speak to them logically in language they understand, they'll tell you that they support socialism, environmentalism, queer rights, racial and gender equality, voting reform, and many other left wing policies. The trouble is just that they don't want to put any thought or effort into how society is going to achieve that. But they like it in theory.
Is that why the more normie shitpost community on reddit has less politics in it than this one? Because wanting (US) politics in every fucking moment if your lives is normal?
wow this ghost town sure has a lot of active commenters, and at least 1.5k people who upvoted this post
stop fucking lying you miseryguts
Holy smokes these comments
What is it that you're finding surprising?
Ummm. The comments?


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