Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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[–] 20 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Enemy of awful systems Malcolm Gladwell is a full throated transphobe

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Why is it always transphobia with these kinds of people... is it because they feel racism is too risky? So they need a different outlet for hating on people based on what they believe is "science"?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    the answer to all those is yes. To synthesise the bigger idea, as the saying goes: scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds. Gladwell caters to a huge audience that is centrist, leaning somewhat liberal (though he flirts constantly with race science and straight up racism, see his writings on Korean Air). As liberals move towards fascism, so must he. Of course, it’s the most marginalised that are going to be targeted first.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    that “90%” of the audience was “on [Tucker’s] side” but had been unwilling to admit it.

    Why are transphobes always this full of shit. Polls always disagree with this, and it cant be 'people are afraid to speak out out of fear', as there seem to be very little consequences to just being a lowkey transphobe. Hell even raging transphobes who stalk people, assault kids, and call for violence in what can only be called a life destroying obsession with trans people get defended by the people in power. There is very little reason for people to lie on polls over this.

    Also dislike the focus on 'trans women' as these whole shitty arguments forget trans men exist. (This seems to be a general problem sadly, trans men, same as intersex people, or detransitioners tend to be only brought up like gotcha arguments, and not much to discuss the different problems they also face. Obv, I'm also doing that here, so I'm not immune)

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    @Soyweiser @swlabr Reminds me.of Nixon's weird claim of being backed by a "silent majority." I've heard two versions of this from historians. One claims that he was deluded enough to claim that everyone actually secretly backed him and was just unwilling to actually say so for some reason.The other said that he meant the dead, on his quest to throw more lives at a cause that has already claimed so many.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Populist groups pull that shit a lot. Wilders also keeps claiming we should all do what he wants because people voted for him (a scary and depressingly large group, but not a total majority). It is a way of trying to get more democratic power behind you than you should really have looking at the democratic support you have alone at least in the case of politics. It also is often just delusional.

    I recall a neo-nazi guy being kicked from a bar once while he loudly (and alone, the whole place fell silent, was a massive vibe shift) started to sing what I think was the horst wessel song (I was not familiar with the song at the time, so this is my guess), and while he was being kicked out he shouted that everybody else agreed with him and was just afraid to say it. Whole group of metalheads/etc like that suddenly silent and a vibe of 'something shit is going down'. Was a weird moment.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    I just found out the name of Scott Alexander's psychiatry practice (Lorien Psychiatry) is a Lord of the Rings reference, so my guess as to direct Thiel money just went way up

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    The common clay of the new west:

    transcriptChatGPT has become worthless

    [Business & Professional]

    I’m a paid member and asked it to help me research a topic and write a guide and it said it needed days to complete it. That’s a first. Usually it could do this task on the spot.

    It missed the first deadline and missed 5 more. 3 weeks went by and it couldn’t get the task done. Went to Claude and it did it in 10 minutes. No idea what is going on with ChatGpt but I cancelled the pay plan.

    Anyone else having this kind of issue?

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I am extremely, extremely sickos.png for having all these weird little fucks find out that all this nonsense is heavily subsidised by VCs

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    As a CS student, I wonder why us and artists are always the one who are attacked the most whenever some new "insert tech stuff" comes out. And everyone's like: HOLY SHIT PROGRAMMERS AND ARTISTS ARE DEAD, without realizing that most of these things are way too crappy to actually be... good enough to replace us?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    My guess would be because most people don’t understand what you all actually do so gen AI output looks to them like their impression of the work you do. Just look at the game studios replacing concept artists with Midjourney, not grasping what concept art even is for and screwing up everyone’s workflow as a result.

    I’m neither a programmer nor an artist I can sorta understand how people get fooled. Show me a snippet of nonsense code or image and I’ll nod along if you say it’s good. But then as a writer (even if only hobbyist) I am able to see how godawful gen AI writing is whereas some non-writers won’t, and so I extrapolate from that since it’s not good at the thing I have domain expertise in, it probably isn’t good at the things I don’t understand.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I feel like aggressive proponents of genAI are so because they are intimidated and/or jealous of the people they say they will replace. They lack the skills and critical thinking to become good at the task they want to replace, but also unwilling or unable to put in the work.

    Instead of reckoning with this, they construct a phantasm where artists are "gatekeeping art", and genAI is going to disrupt that gatekeeping. Meanwhile I think deep down they know that what genAI produces is derivative by definition, and not "real art" by any means.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Lesswronger notices all of the rationalist's attempts at making an "aligned" AI company keep failing: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/PBd7xPAh22y66rbme/anthropic-s-leading-researchers-acted-as-moderate

    Notably, the author doesn't realize Capitalism is the root problem in misaligning the incentives, and it takes a comment directly point it out for them to get as far as noticing as link to the cycle of enshittification.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)
    >50 min read  
    >”why company has perverse incentives”
    >no mention of capitalism
    

    rationalism.mpeg

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  • Others were alarmed and advocated internally against scaling large language models. But these were not AGI safety researchers, but critical AI researchers, like Dr. Timnit Gebru.

    Here we see rationalists approaching dangerously close to self-awareness and recognizing their whole concept of "AI safety" as marketing copy.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Promptfondlers on lobste.rs are unhappy about the tag "vibecoding", used to denote development using GenAI. I'd not recommend reading the thread, just want to observe that if slop coding had actually taken the coding world by storm, I doubt there would be much pearl clutchign about how slop-slingers are treated on the site. We're talking about people willing to pay Scam Altman money monthly after all.

    https://lobste.rs/s/gkzmfy/let_s_rename_vibecoding_tag_llms

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    shoutouts to @dgerard@awful.systems and @mawhrin@circumstances.run for reminding me that Steve Klabnik being really shitty isn’t a temporary state of affairs

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    @self @gerikson today i learned about existence of one richard feldman, programmer, podcaster, author of the roc language and quite a vicious promoter of the confabulation machines.you'd be entirely unsurprised to see him quote lunduke as an information source.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    @self @gerikson (but yeah, klabnik appealing for bans the first moment he got a friendly reply from the mods there is quite impressive too.)

    ![steve klabnik on lobste dot rs appealing for bans the first moment he got friendly attention of the mods: “You’re welcome. Been having a lot of feelings about here lately, due to both this and the friendlysock ban (you may or may not remember, but I quit using the site for six years due to his behavior). To be clear, I think the ban is fine, even though he and I came to a thing closer to understanding recently, but the kind of behavior regularly on display in LLM related threads feels like it would be ban worthy in threads about any other topic. I’m not sure why it gets such a pass, especially when the site is clearly willing to ban users for bad behavior (which to be clear, I do think is a good thing).

    Honestly I think banning the topic would make this community look better, I think, at this point. But also maybe I’m overreacting, I dunno, this thread in particular has caused me a lot of… something, today. Maybe I’ll write more or DM you later, maybe even in a few days.”](https://asset.circumstances.run/media_attachments/files/115/161/594/695/572/552/original/b1d34ff7de1309c9.png)

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    he now pretends he didn't appeal for banning participants in the discussion, just the topic.

    i shouldn't, but i'm really disappointed finding out how much a nasty manipulative little shit he is.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I know think the endgoal is for them to convince the mods that anything critical of GenAI is off topic and they should nuke the comments. Just "neutral" discourse, please, "we only care about the technology".

    Given that mod pushcx was the one who actually added the tag in the first place, I'm not sure their cunning plan will work, but who knows?

    At least the About page has had more visitors than any other time in the site's history...

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I'd only seen some of his other writing previously, and even that was full of some "oh woe is me" uwu burnout shit (which read tonedeaf as fuck to me, knowing this fucker probably barely had their means impacted by that), but this... ugh. ranking any of his shit even lower now

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    So I learned about the rise of pro-Clippy sentiment in the wake of ChatGPT and that led me on a little ramble about the ELIZA effect vs. the exercise of empathy https://awful.systems/post/5495333

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Not totally in our wheelhouse, but seems like the Abundance movements has a bit of a right wing speaker problem: https://bsky.app/profile/therealbrent.bsky.social/post/3lxzn3lxqo22b

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Oh Abundance, the repackaging of Reaganomics by liberals to court conservatives, is having a conference and has booked right wing speakers? Nobody could have predicted this

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    OpenPhilanthropy has been seeding (b) a bit of money to local liberal activist groups but (a) guys to get them to do Abundance shit, under that name, then the guys play coy about the EA agenda

    source: talking to people wondering who the fuck these weirdos were. they said "OpenPhilanthropy" and I went "ohhh boy have I got some disconcerting news for you"

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    @swlabr I'm not sure if it wasn't actually Reaganomics repackaged by conservatives to court liberals.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I looked into this because I was curious. There's a wikipedia article that discusses abundance, titled "supply-side progressivism")

    So it appears the earliest mention of liberal tinted Reaganomics is Miles Kimball's opening blog post "What is a Supply-Side Liberal" on his blog "Confessions of a Supply-Side Liberal." I am not going to investigate his politics at any real depth, so I'd say he's mostly a liberal/centrist.

    I think my understanding of "abundance" before reading that wiki page was that known liberal quantities Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson wrote a book on it, and therefore must have invented it.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    @swlabr oh no Kimball: "Astral Codex Ten—and its prior incarnation, Slate Star Codex—is one of my favorite blogs. "Another link he posted last year: "Richard Hanania's Argument for Legalizing Euthanasia"Also he seems to be more of a "classical liberal" than what people tend to consider a liberal in the left-of-center sense.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    that's a big oof from me dawg.

    RE: "liberal" as a label: the way that I define "liberal" is pretty much purely in the classical sense, and it still covers the "modern" "left-of-center" sense, because someone who claims to be a left-liberal that still supports the underlying liberal politics is actually disconnected from any actual leftist ideology. Most left-liberals are willing to throw actual leftists and leftist causes under the bus so that their sports team party can get into power.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    @swlabr When I said "repackaged by conservatives to court liberals" I was using 'liberal' in the common sloppy American sense where it just means someone on the center left to left, as opposed to the "progressive shop talk" sense of "ratfucking centrists".

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    after that Flock shit that got announced recently, looks like garry tan is currently doing his damnedest to ensure people know he's absolutely full of it

    thread starts here, features bangers like this

    You're thinking Chinese surveillance

    US-based surveillance helps victims and prevents more victims

    "nooooo, we're the good kind of boot to have on your face! we're the boot from the same country as you!" says the boot in the rising fascist upswing

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    your periodic reminder: don't listen to Garry Tan, unless maybe he's doing a tequila review

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Great piece on previous hype waves by P. Ball

    https://aeon.co/essays/no-suffering-no-death-no-limits-the-nanobots-pipe-dream

    It’s sad, my “thoroughly researched” “paper” greygoo-2027 just doesn’t seem to have that viral x-factor that lands me exclusive interviews w/ the Times 🫠

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Putting this into the current context of LLMs... Given how Eliezer still repeats the "diamondoid bacteria" line in his AI-doom scenarios, even multiple decades after Drexler has both been thoroughly debunked and slightly contributed to inspiring real science, I bet memes of LLM-AGI doom and utopia will last long after the LLM bubble pops.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Creator of NaCl publishes something even saltier.

    "Am I being detained?" I scream as IETF politely asks me to stop throwing a tantrum over the concept of having moderation policy.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Does somebody have a rundown or something on DJB? All of the tantrum throwing has me confused over what his deal is.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Sibling comment is important recent stuff. Historically, the most important tantrum he's thrown is DJB v USA in 1995, where he insisted that folks in the USA have a First Amendment right to publish source code. He also threw a joint tantrum with two other cryptographers over the Dual EC DRBG scandal after Snowden revealed its existence in 2013. He's scored real wins against the USA for us, which is why his inability to be polite is often tolerated.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    noted for advancements in cryptography, and “stayed impartial” (iirc not quite defending, but also not acknowledging nor distancing) when the jacob appelbaum shit hit wider knowledge

    probably about all you need to know in a nutshell

    the most recent shit before this when I recall seeing his name pop up was when he was causing slapfight around Kyber (ML-KEM) in the cryptography spaces, but I don’t have links at hand

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    DragonCon drops the ban hammer on a slop slinger. There was much rejoicing.

    https://old.reddit.com/r/dragoncon/comments/1n5r2eu/a_warm_heartfelt_goodbye_to_a10_the_ai_artist_who/

    Btw, the vibes were absolutely marvelous this year.

    Edit: a shrine was built to shame the perpetrator

    https://old.reddit.com/r/dragoncon/comments/1n60s10/to_shame_that_ai_stand_in_artist_alley_people/

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Shamelessly posting link to my skeet thread (skeet trail?) on my experience with an (mandatory) AI chatbot workshop. Nothing that will surprise regulars here too much, but if you want to share the pain...

    https://bsky.app/profile/jfranek.bsky.social/post/3lxtdvr4xyc2q

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The blatant covering for the confabulated zip code is some peak boosterism. It knows what an address looks like and that some kind of postal code has to go there, and while it was pretty close I would still expect that to get returned to sender. Pretty close isn't good enough.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I was thinking about ethics in game journalism in software engineering and I think it might be easier to create a whitelist than a blacklist:

    What are some serious software/hardware companies that have NOT participated in the AI bubble? No AI nonsense in their marketing slides, no mentions of AI on their landing page, etc.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Procreate, a digital painting software for iPads, has not just avoided AI, they even have an anti-GenAI statement on their website.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago

    I was planning to mention Procreate as well, but felt like that'd be spamming the replies a bit.

    On a wider note, I expect it'll be primarily art-related software/hardware companies that will have avoided AI participation - with how utterly artists have rejected the usage of AI, and resisted its intrusion into their spaces, the companies working with them likely view rejecting AI as an easy way of earning good PR with their users, and embracing it as a business liability at best, and a one-way trip past the trust thermocline at worst.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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    Where the fuck has that guy been for 20 years? I've seen that happen many times with junior programmers during my 20 years of experience.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    also from a number of devs who went borderline malicious compliance in "adopting tdd/testing" but didn't really grok the assignment

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  • At a recent job, I definitely saw malicious compliance/incompetence when it came to writing tests. My team and I would work hard to retrofit tests into older functionality and adjacent teams if they bothered to write tests would avoid testing anything of consequence.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Kind of tangential to the sneer sphere. TIL about the Gayfemboy malware

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    in what seems to be a very popular theme of "maybe we can just live off defense money" for tech outfits, oura is planning to manufacture in texas for simping to the DoD

    I'm struggling to sneer it, it's so fucking absurd

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    ran across this

    Kaminski told SiliconANGLE in an interview he was inspired to launch the company after seeing how long and difficult it was for medical technology firms to bring innovations to market.

    “Everything that’s meaningful is regulated,” Kaminski said. “I didn’t even comprehend how hard it could be.”

    “I could code that in a weekend” techbro meets decades-grown safety nets, is very surprised at complexity

    I haven’t dug deeper into their thing yet but some of the claims are a bit 🤨 too

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ultra trivialization is the blood of tech bros. Everything is so easy and everyone else is just so clueless. Boy met computer through hello world and thought that’s the pinnacle of computer science.

    How long til some bright eyed influencer dev tries to take on JPL and MISRA? It’s always some middleware garbage these startups make and never a QNX competitor.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    “Qnx is hard and expensive, I’m sure we could get a production quality thing out with the esp-idf arduino target!!~ You devs so like to blow things out of proportion”

    (while not an exact quote, extremely close to some shit I’ve heard from some people before)

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    “The biggest problem is that it used to take about 50 pages to prove the system works, like a scalpel, but today… that could take 10,000 pages,” Kaminski explained. “And you need to make 10,000 pages every time you make a new version. It’s just really, really difficult to make so much proof as products become more software and AI-driven.”

    Methinks that scalpel is a tad simpler than insulin pump, and considering that sometimes, there are unpatchable vulns found in the latter, i'd really prefer not to see vibecoded driver for these kind of things. Would match nicely with vibe-lawyered compliance docs

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 1 year ago

    Yet another lawsuit has hit Midjourney, this time coming from Warner Bros Discovery.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    From the ChatGPT subreddit: Gemini offers to pay me for a developer to fix its mess

    Who exactly pays for it? Google? Or does Google send one of their interns to fix the code? Maybe Gemini does have its own bank account. Wow, I really haven't been keeping up with these advances in agentic AI.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    More vibe coding wins in the wild. Soon we will be out of a job here.

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    ah yes, that great mark of certainty and product security, when you have to unleash pitbulls to patrol the completely not dangerous park that everyone can totally feel at ease in

    (and of course I bet the damn play is a resource exhaustion attack on critics, isn’t it)

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don't think it's a resource exhaustion attack as much as a combination of legitimate paranoia (the consequence of a worldview where only billionaires are capable of actual agency) and attempt to impose that on reality by reverse-astroturfing any opposition by tying it to other billionaire AI bros.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    An interesting talk on the impact of the impact of AI slop bug bounty submission on the curl project (youtube).

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