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[–] Thevenin@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

The situation on the ground is rarely reflected accurately on the internet. We are organizing. We are disrupting. Do you think the black-baggings in L.A. just dropped off by accident? That's been a combined front of legal and quasi-legal activity. When we're up to something good, you probably won't hear about it. The news doesn't like those stories, and we don't exactly advertise.

We're also marching. The news covers that because it's uncontroversial.

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[–] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago* (12 children)

What makes you think that that is the only way to protest? And what makes you think we aren't already doing that to our maximum ability? You are making a lot of assumptions about Americans (assuming you are Canadian from your choice of server). We all have careers to maintain, families and friends to support, homes to clean, debts to repay, meals to cook, laundry to fold, mental illnesses to manage, etc etc. We can't just drop all that to go follow around ICE cars 24/7 and rotate in and out of jail, life doesn't work like that. I'm not going to sit here and pretend i am doing the most that I can do, but there's a reason I haven't been maximally-engaged. Fighting fascism is exhausting, but so is daily life. There's a reason more concerned people don't go to protests - the billionaires have deliberately destroyed our social safety nets to make daily life so exhausting that protesting is a high hurdle to climb.

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[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Your grandparents stormed the beaches at Normandy and you're whining and making excuses about why you're letting your country slide into fascism.

Is this what you're going to tell your grandkids when they ask why you didn't stop it?

"Home of the brave". Maybe long ago.

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[–] Doublenut@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago

They were paid to do that

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[–] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

More assumptions about me and mine. The history is not so simple. My grandparents stormed beaches because that was what the president told them to do, and because the country itself was literally under attack by an outside enemy. It wasn't a noble personal sacrifice in the same way - soldiers risked their lives and went through hell, but they also did so with a guarantee that they would get something in return if we won the war. I'm not going to get paid to protest, and I will be demonized by my employer and the federal government. And I don't know my great grandparents' exact views on racial politics, but I would estimate most of those same soldiers took no issue with the whites-only bathrooms they used on a daily basis before and after the war. Why didn't they do anything about that? Was that "brave" of them to turn the other cheek to all the problems the country was facing at that time?

I'm pretending to be brave or courageous. I try to be disruptive in my job and compassionate to my neighbors, and that in itself is already difficult and risky. It's very easy to tell people to do more when you have no similar obligation to act.

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[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

the country itself was literally under attack by an outside enemy

Your country is literally under attack by an inside enemy

a guarantee that they would get something in return if we won the war.

You'll get your democracy.

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[–] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What are you doing to fight fascism in your country?

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[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'll let you know after Trump tries to annex us. Actually, no I won't because I'll be out doing it and not making excuses on the internet.

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[–] theangriestbird@beehaw.org -3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

You know that fascism is rising in Canada too, right? So if you want to go fight it, you could step out your front door and start today.

Unless you reside in Russia. Not fully convinced you aren't a Russian troll.

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[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

A Russian troll wouldn't have to say anything. He'd sit there laughing at you making excuses while your country destroyed itself.

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[–] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

meanwhile you still haven't given a single example of something you are doing to prevent fascism in your own country. i don't need your useless, negative energy. peace, loser.

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[–] LukeZaz@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

Your grandparents stormed the beaches at Normandy

Oh, so what you actually want is for us to dash our bodies upon the stones and get shot to death by cops, is it? What a completely reasonable ask! One that I'm sure you won't be doing yourself, of course. That's our job.

I'm not your footsoldier. I'm not throwing myself into a fire just because you're unsatisfied with the action being taken. I have a life to live, and I'm barely managing that as it is. Your criticism is less than worthless.

Your advice wouldn't fix America. It'd just get us all killed. If you want to be frustrated, find a more productive way to do it.

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[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Oh, so what you actually want is for us to dash our bodies upon the stones and get shot to death by cops, is it? What a completely reasonable ask! One that I’m sure you won’t be doing yourself, of course. That’s our job.

Please work on your reading comprehension. Nowhere did I even imply that's what you should be doing.

I was contrasting the level of bravery and energy between them and you. They stormed Normandy to save foreign nations and yet you're making excuses to not even get off the couch to save your own.

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[–] LukeZaz@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago*

You bring up people fighting a war as a comparison, you invite the idea that you expect others to do the same, bullets and all. If you didn't want to make that implication, you shouldn't have made that comparison. This is on you.

This goes double when the suggestions you've offered are so vague and unhelpful as "Organize. Disrupt. Disobey." Do you have any concrete ideas for how that'll work? Because right now, you're just yelling at people in an entirely different country to you to do a bunch of Stuff™ all while you hypocritically whine online yourself about what we are doing.

Again, if you want to be frustrated, do it differently. As it stands, you're just fighting your own allies because the work they're doing isn't what you specifically want to occur. You're going to have deal with the fact that sometimes activism isn't flashy, and sometimes it isn't easy to spot. That doesn't mean it's not useful, and it doesn't mean it's not happening. Besides, even if you were right, shame doesn't tend to be a useful tool for growing action; it just causes infighting and encourages spite and doomerism. So save the crit for the Democrat politicians, aye?