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Hackaday: Wayland Will Never Be Ready For Every X11 User (hackaday.com)
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[–] -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There are lots of issues with Wayland. They will be fixed

Remind me 2030 if these issues I have get fixed:

https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/8000

https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/8001

https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/8002

https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/8191 I later learned the reason sway is using capabilities is to fix performance issues, which yeah still has several...

One issue the wayland proponents fail to notice is that the ecosystem itself is fragmented, you have several DEs/WM with their own implementations and bugs that will likely never be fixed.

I'm an i3wm user, my only option to switch to is sway, doesn't matter if some of the issues I have are fixed in kwin or mutter, it has to be fixed in sway.

But most Linux desktop users use Wayland already.

Most desktop users use windows, and they are happy with that, why don't you stop using linux and move to windows?

Everyday there are more and more apps that are Wayland only. Before 2030, that list will include all GNOME and most GTK apps. Are people really going to give up all these applications because of some obscure advantage they perceive in X11?

https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/12to11-git

people writing these articles do not realize that they are already in the minority and have already been left behind.

Doesn't remove the fact that wayland still sucks 😆

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    Remind me 2030 if these issues I have get fixed:

    You want me to track the progress of 4 bugs in Sway? Such a powerful argument. How about don’t use Sway?

    One issue the wayland proponents fail to notice is that the ecosystem itself is fragmented

    I did not fail to notice. I have another post here comparing compositors to web browsers. There is more than one by design. Long term, it is absolutely one of Wayland’s strengths. But ya, your experience is only going to be as good as the browser you choose.

    For tiler lovers, Niri and Hyprland are both great. COSMIC is looking good but still Alpha. Plasma 6 is perhaps the best Wayland compositor at the moment.

    why don't you stop using linux and move to windows?

    Hilarious. Linux has been my primary desktop since the 90’s. You probably need to get off my lawn.

    https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/12to11-git

    Even more hilarious. Looks like you found an even crappier Wayland compositor than Sway.

    Amongst the long list of broken things in 12to11, my favourite is this: “has not been tested on window (and compositing) managers other than GNOME Shell”. GNOME is a Wayland first and soon to be Wayland only project. A project clinging to Wayland on X on GNOME is a perfect metaphor for the point I am making. Thank you for making my point so well.

    By 2030, Xorg will be in the AUR and the only x server in the core Arch repos will be Wayback (Xwayland on Wayland).

    Sounds like you will be using 12to11 to run Wayland apps on i3 on XWayland on Wayback (Wayland on X on Wayland). Good times.

    You seem to think I am telling you to use Wayland though.I don’t care what you use. My point is that everybody else is happy leaving you behind. Keep using X. You can switch to the Dillo browser too if you want. LMAO.

    Very subtle “Arch, BTW”, BTW. Nice.

    For everybody else, here is the project you linked to. It is a fun little project.

    https://git.linuxping.win/12to11/12to11

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    You want me to track the progress of 4 bugs in Sway? Such a powerful argument.

    4 bugs discovered in less than 48 hours of use.

    How about don’t use Sway?

    I don't, I'm on i3wm as result.

    For tiler lovers, Niri and Hyprland are both great.

    Tried hyprland as well, it is useless.

    Hyprland is such a meme, that the config file doesn't allow chaining multiple actions to a single keybind, you have to instead repeat the same keybind several times in the config lmao.

    Also in hyprland you cannot move a floating window between displays using the move left and right commands, this is because the action does not move the window in that direction but rather to the left or right side of the display, meaning the window gets stuck at the border between the two displays and does not move anymore 😹

    Also this whole disaster that I was a victim of, the documentation was insanely outdated and someone had to repeat the dev about the issue: https://github.com/hyprwm/hyprland-wiki/issues/242

    Even more hilarious. Looks like you found an even crappier Wayland compositor than Sway.

    It works lol

    My issue is not if an app works on X11 or wayland, but the terrible implementations that wayland that lack even the most basic features.

    My point is that everybody else is happy leaving you behind

    And once again doesn’t remove the fact that wayland still sucks 😆

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