I have seen very painfully long proof of work demands by Anubis on thebrainbin.org.. not sure if that is triggered by a Tor exit node IP. Now I get access denied from Anubis, for the first time ever, when visiting quokk.au. Hope it’s not going to become a trend.

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[–] 1 point 3 days ago (5 children)

Then choose to wholly believe in Allah for 10 min if its not a choice. Accept the profit Muhammad as the last profit from god.

If its a choice it should be easy.

Or does it clash with an internal belief system.

We are also free to change our religion, or even join another religion in parallel, where I am.

Thats great, but not what I was talking about.

I'm talking about internal belief systems.

Your browser is not an internal belief system. Its a reflection sure, but so is a the clothing you wear. Are you also oppressed by business casual attire?

I stand by the line being an internal classification vs something you do.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

    If its a choice it should be easy.

    If a choice is inherently easy, in your view, then you are misusing the term. Of course the reality is some choices are easier and some are not.

    Thats great, but not what I was talking about. I’m talking about internal belief systems.

    The UDHR is not.

    Your browser is not an internal belief system.

    This is like saying a book is not an “internal belief system”. Yet the bible and koran are books.

    Your high-heels is not “an internal belief system”. Nor is a hajab. Does this mean you can’t cite oppression when forced to dress a certain way?

    And again, browsers are irrelevant without the transparency of knowing the oppressor’s blocking criteria. They are more likely suppressing people on the basis of their IP address, not browser. But we can only guess because they do not express which demographics they are oppressing. The oppressed knows they are in the oppressed group, but they don’t know how they got there.

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    Of course the reality is some choices are easier and some are not.

    But why? What makes a choice easier or harder? Is it that internal belief system I keep talking about?

    I have no idea what the UDHR is.

    The bible doesn't define faith. Its a book. The beluver defines and intrpets the faith.

    Do you feel opreased by a book?

    Your high-heels is not “an internal belief system”. Nor is a hajab. Does this mean you can’t complain when forced to dress a certain way?

    Neither is your browser.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

    Is it that internal belief system I keep talking about?

    You’re talking about it, yet the doublespeak remains irrelevant.

    I have no idea what the UDHR is.

    Not surprised. Universal declaration of human rights.

    Do you feel opreased by a book?

    Of course I would feel oppressed when blocked from access to a book, amid your attempt to arguing the contrary by reducing it to an object /being/ a thought. Being blocked from access to books is similar to being blocked from information generally (i.e. the Internet, which is where books now exist).

    Neither is your browser.

    Okay, but you’re still missing the relationship between objects and the practice of one’s cognitive liberty facilitated those objects. It’s the oppression of cognitive liberty that is the problem. The objects involved are just working for your doublespeak to conflate and trivialize the oppression of a demographic of people.

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    Being blocked from access to books is similar to being blocked from information generally (i.e. the Internet, which is where books now exist).

    Are bookstores oppressive because they don't have every book? Is wiki because they don't let you edit whatever you want?

    Do you not still have access through other means?

    Okay, but you’re still missing the relationship between objects and the practice of one’s cognitive liberty facilitated those objects. It’s the oppression of cognitive liberty that is the problem. The objects involved are just working for your doublespeak to conflate and trivialize the oppression of a demographic of people.

    And your missing the point of your not entitled to it either. Why does a website HAVE to cater yo how you wish to access? Because the website still has every right to tell you to kick sand. A bookstore can ban you for wearing a backpack. This is the society we live in.

    You accessing content still consumes resources, why should the server owner pay for your access your way?

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

    Are bookstores oppressive because they don’t have every book?

    They are oppressive if they arbitrarily deny access to the books they already have to a demographic of people. E.g., you have brown skin, and because a shoplifter had brown skin they decide to block all people in that demographic. Of course collective punishment is oppressive. Anubis is not creating a failure to have information. It’s being used to deny access to information the service already has.

    Do you not still have access through other means?

    I personally do not. Clearnet does not work on my system. But this is irrelevant. Tor supports my right to privacy and autonomy, and it is consistent with my values and ethical lifestyle. I actually find it unethical to use clearnet needlessly, for a number of reasons, one of which is to do our duty to give strength in numbers to activists and the oppressed. And to give them cover traffic. I also morally oppose advertising and thus object to sharing data with surveillance advertisers.

    And your missing the point of your not entitled to it either. Why does a website HAVE to cater yo how you wish to access? Because the website still has every right to tell you to kick sand. A bookstore can ban you for wearing a backpack. This is the society we live in.

    For the /third/ time, I already agreed there is no entitlement. The site can grant access to whoever the fuck it wants. And we have the right to express criticism. This is still irrelevant to the thesis of incompetent access controls, as it was the previous times you tried to recycle a this dead strawman of an argument. I never said admins don’t have a right to implement infosec countermeasures in a foolish manner with reckless results. It’s their right. This was not contested by anyone in this thread.

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