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Lula’s Digital Army Model Spreads to France, Spain and Argentina (clashreport.com)
submitted 1 week ago by to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml
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Olá, Bonjour, Hola, Hello! You can make it work, it can be done. Get together, meet up. Do it the way you prefer but don't let those wanna be oppressors rule over your lives, it never ends well.

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[+] -17 points 1 week ago (25 children)

When Bolsonaro did it last election it was treated as a crime, but when Lula does its ok. Leftists should not agree to this kind of thing just because it was done by the left

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  • [–] 25 points 1 week ago (18 children)

    bolsonaro paid corporations for automated mass messaging, this is more like an ar game with the members of a massive group. it's different because one is organic and the other one is a synthetic endeavour of the international bourgeoisie.

    lula is not the left, tho, and if this model spreads to argentina for example to promote peronism it's the same shit. of course i rather have them than gringo mc gringus fascist maximus as the president but it's not that much better. it's still reformist bullshit.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 week ago (17 children)

    I dont think they are all that different. Lula also paid corporations to do his campaing.

    Besides, even if this differnce existed, it wouldnt be suficient to say one is legit and the other isnt

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (10 children)

    the difference is that one paid for bot farms while the other one did political praxis. the right doesn't have actual support from people on the street, they need to invent reality.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 week ago (9 children)

    If you belive that what Janones did is praxis and not paid, thats on you

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (8 children)

    i'm not saying there wasn't money involved, but if you think a bot farm which is essentially not people is the same as people doing dumb missions on social media is the same thats on you.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 week ago* (7 children)

    Our enemy's shameful bot farm

    Our online blessed army

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

    Do you not believe organizers should be paid?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    Explain your question better, please

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago* (4 children)

    It sounds like you're essentially saying that paying organizers is the same as running bot farms.

    This seems to imply that you don't believe organizers should be paid.

    Or you don't believe organizers are human, but that's probably not what you meant.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (3 children)

    My point is both of them did the same, both paid people and bots, but it was treated as a problem when Bolsonaro did, but was ok when Lula did

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

    But they didn't do the same, Lula didn't run bot farms. That's qualitatively different than paying organizers.

    You're the one equivocating between running bot farms and paying organizers, so I'll ask again: do you not believe organizers should be paid? It's a simple question, don't know why you won't answer.

    EDIT Wait, I think I see the problem: you think bot farms are people.

    They're not, bots are automated systems with very few people involved.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    If lula did what he did without bots the msn is jesus christ himself, because it would be a miracle. Im not a religious person, so thats a no for me.

    If you say organizer as a political activist, if they are not paid for their work then mostly only people who can get paid without working could be a political activist. Sounds like nonsense

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago*

    Professional organizers are people who get paid for their political work. Activists are just volunteers.

    And there was no "miracle" involved, just people recognizing they needed to act. This was a coordinated effort by a smaller team of professional (paid) organizers and a much larger mass of activists (unpaid). There's no proof bots were involved.

    You're just judging based on vibes.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    you could've just left it at 'I don't think' clearly no qualifier is required

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  • [–] -5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Not really bending what i think is right or wrong to put a pro imperialist left in good light, even if they are against Bolsonaro

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    go read up on the concept of false equivalence

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago

    Lula's camp had to fight against the media platform owners, who bent over backwards to help Bolsonaro. If the media (including social media) has it's thumbs on the scale in your opponent's favor, and you don't organize against it you will lose. Of course, either way it is a kind of manipulation, but I prefer the kind of manipulation that requires hundreds of thousands of real people to take part, rather than a few oligarchs.

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