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[–] 67 points 2 months ago* (12 children)

If an AI can find the bug and point it out, I don't see a problem, as long as it is checked thoroughly enough by an actual skilled programmer, to make sure that doing what the AI suggest is not making things worse.

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  • [–] 65 points 2 months ago

    The exact quote is:

    And this was a debug session from hell, enormously helped by an AI doing much of the grunt-work.

    I'd like to call it my tireless helper, but the AI several times stated flat out that this was impossible and unsolvable and that we should just write a report about it.

    I suspect those things have been trained by people who may not be quite as stubborn as I am.

    But while the AI was ready to give up several times, it did keep adding debug code and analyzing it faithfully when I pushed. So credit where credit is due and I let the AI write the commit message above.

    This is basically a one-liner fixing a bogus "round_up()" to a "round_down()", but there were 24 patches adding more and more debug information to this, and 18 kernel boot to finally narrow it down to this. - Linus

    That's a long way short of finding the bug and pointing it out, and instead is just the tedious work of adding checks and then deciding where to add more checks when you have the result of the previous checks. I suspect if we'd spent a trillion dollars on a tool for that, we could have come up with something much more efficient than an LLM.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    So you don't care about environment, huh?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Hey, Mr. Self-righteous. Tell us about how you live in a small efficient urban dwelling served nearly entirely by renewable energy, that you don't own a car, don't eat meat, and never take longer than a 5 minute shower.

    And if even one of those things isn't true, I demand a full explanation for why you hate the planet and want it to die.

    Especially if you own a car. If you own a car and you're shaming people for the environmental impact of AI, you owe it to us all to sell that thing today and prove your superiority to the rest of us.

    EDIT: Nevermind, just reviewed your comment history to see that you are an enthusiastic spectator of the Russia/Ukraine war. Given that war is the single most ecologically destructive force on the planet, it is clear that you are completely irredeemable, and should keep your snide comments to yourself.

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    They are not magic. You are still using electricity, and for the same amount of work that cloud providers do you will consume the same amount. If every one of the billions of people using chatgpt or whatever buys rtx 5090 and makes it churn 24/7 for their "local" ai then nothing will change for the environment.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    But isn't it as bad as running a graphically intensive AAA game on your computer

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    That's still just moving the impact from data centers to end users' machines.

    Gamers (especially those that own 5090) are a tiny minority compared to llm users.

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    This will just waste even more energy since cpus are less efficient at this kind of task.

    LLMs require insane amounts of compute, period. The hardware to do that needs energy and emits heat, there is no way around.

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