It’s almost comical how quickly conversations about gender inequality are derailed by “whataboutism.” Women are talking about the right to bodily autonomy? Someone has to remind them that men also face pressures. Women are speaking out about harassment? Well, men get harassed too.

It’s like watching someone run onto the scene of a house fire, waving a burnt piece of toast, screaming, “See? We all suffer!”

The irony is that many of the struggles men do face — mental health stigma, rigid gender roles, toxic masculinity — are products of the same patriarchal system feminists are trying to dismantle.

But instead of joining the fight against systemic oppression, some men would rather spend their time insisting that misandry is just as bad as misogyny.

At the end of the day, we need to be able to call things what they are. Yes, men experience hardship. Yes, some women say mean things about men. But one of those things is a personal grievance, and the other is a global, institutionalized system that has stripped women of rights, freedoms, and even their lives.

When we pretend these two things are equal, we don’t just miss the point, we actively make it harder to solve the real problem.

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What is your identity then? Because being white isn't it. What you're describing as the pride and such are identifying markers. These groups exists because these people have faced hardships and discrimination based on things they can't change about themselves. Finding community and raising each other up and helping each other find opportunities is necessary when you're already starting a few steps behind the average white male.

Now to address what I think you're actually asking, how do YOU as a white male find a group? Well if it doesn't exist make one. Obviously it's not going to be based on being a white male. But maybe it's based on a hobby or, shared experience. Maybe you're a father and you're looking for other dudes to share parenting and life advice with. Maybe you have a cool hobby you want to discuss. Hell, that's plenty of DnD and boardgames groups if you're into that.

Be the change you want to see. Or rather, create the thing you feel like you need. Maybe that's just a guys group you discuss guy things. That's cool too.

Edit: another thought. These groups exists out of necessity, not out of fun. These marginalized communities have no choice but to come together because we can't do it alone. No one is going to hold your hand and create a community for you. If you need it, you have to put in the work just like we did.

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