It’s almost comical how quickly conversations about gender inequality are derailed by “whataboutism.” Women are talking about the right to bodily autonomy? Someone has to remind them that men also face pressures. Women are speaking out about harassment? Well, men get harassed too.

It’s like watching someone run onto the scene of a house fire, waving a burnt piece of toast, screaming, “See? We all suffer!”

The irony is that many of the struggles men do face — mental health stigma, rigid gender roles, toxic masculinity — are products of the same patriarchal system feminists are trying to dismantle.

But instead of joining the fight against systemic oppression, some men would rather spend their time insisting that misandry is just as bad as misogyny.

At the end of the day, we need to be able to call things what they are. Yes, men experience hardship. Yes, some women say mean things about men. But one of those things is a personal grievance, and the other is a global, institutionalized system that has stripped women of rights, freedoms, and even their lives.

When we pretend these two things are equal, we don’t just miss the point, we actively make it harder to solve the real problem.

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[–] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

Original asker here.

“White pride” groups are hate groups. Being white is not a culture. There are plenty of white cultures, like Ukrainian, Irish, English, French, etc, that have cultural events and celebrations all the time.

I’m also not a fan of “Asian pride” for the same reason, but would hesitate to call them hate groups. There’s lots of Asian countries with different cultures. Skin tone is nothing to be proud of.

“Black pride” however, is fine because of the whole being-ripped-from-your-homeland-and-all-knowledge-of-it-being-stripped-from-your-ancestors-because-of-slavery thing.

I do agree with you though. Like there’s education grants for every group, but when I went back to school at 35 there was nothing for me but loans. So now I’m in debt, and man… I could use some help too.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (5 children)

    I agree skin tone is nothing to be proud of but if you split it up by country you shrink your member count so much. Like the asain group, if it was only Japanese group most of the members couldn't join. The option then is to create seperate groups for each country. Depending on how you count "asian" that's what 15 different groups? Similar issue with Europe or Africa.

    That's why it's grouped by skin tone.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 3 months ago (4 children)

    That’s why it’s grouped by skin tone.

    Is it grouped by skin tone or is it grouped by area of origin?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I don't really know. I used skin tone because that's what the person before me used

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Skin tones vary among people of Asian descent.

    This whole conversation thread is bordering on some problematic ideas.

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