It’s almost comical how quickly conversations about gender inequality are derailed by “whataboutism.” Women are talking about the right to bodily autonomy? Someone has to remind them that men also face pressures. Women are speaking out about harassment? Well, men get harassed too.

It’s like watching someone run onto the scene of a house fire, waving a burnt piece of toast, screaming, “See? We all suffer!”

The irony is that many of the struggles men do face — mental health stigma, rigid gender roles, toxic masculinity — are products of the same patriarchal system feminists are trying to dismantle.

But instead of joining the fight against systemic oppression, some men would rather spend their time insisting that misandry is just as bad as misogyny.

At the end of the day, we need to be able to call things what they are. Yes, men experience hardship. Yes, some women say mean things about men. But one of those things is a personal grievance, and the other is a global, institutionalized system that has stripped women of rights, freedoms, and even their lives.

When we pretend these two things are equal, we don’t just miss the point, we actively make it harder to solve the real problem.

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I agree with everything you are saying except I don’t think white men can.

They can. You have to use your own experiences of your own healing to establish the belief you need to do the work with optimism or it will never get done.

I think it will take years to decades of healing to make this possible.

It's possible today, it's happening today, but it will take centuries, maybe millennia to repair the harm caused over the last 2k years.

Unfortunately we are currently just causing more harm(ice, gop, etc) to ourselves instead of healing.

We are not a monolith. The healing and the harming are happening simultaneously.

Yes it’s on white men to encourage these groups

No. It's on white men to organize, operate, cultivate, and propagate these groups. It's the work that must be done by white men with white men for white men.

I’m not asking for help

You should be.

or asking for some other group to do it

Good.

My only point was at current moment if those groups were made they would be assumed to be hate groups and that makes me sad.

And you need groups of white men who can share that sadness and hold space for it so that the healing process can occur.

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