It’s almost comical how quickly conversations about gender inequality are derailed by “whataboutism.” Women are talking about the right to bodily autonomy? Someone has to remind them that men also face pressures. Women are speaking out about harassment? Well, men get harassed too.

It’s like watching someone run onto the scene of a house fire, waving a burnt piece of toast, screaming, “See? We all suffer!”

The irony is that many of the struggles men do face — mental health stigma, rigid gender roles, toxic masculinity — are products of the same patriarchal system feminists are trying to dismantle.

But instead of joining the fight against systemic oppression, some men would rather spend their time insisting that misandry is just as bad as misogyny.

At the end of the day, we need to be able to call things what they are. Yes, men experience hardship. Yes, some women say mean things about men. But one of those things is a personal grievance, and the other is a global, institutionalized system that has stripped women of rights, freedoms, and even their lives.

When we pretend these two things are equal, we don’t just miss the point, we actively make it harder to solve the real problem.

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[–] [S] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Women, black people, LGBT+ people, and others all had to fight tooth and nail to have these groups, to have the rights we have now. Literally spilled blood for this. We were KILLED during the fight for these rights.

Men have to do the work to create those positive, affirming, and supportive groups for themselves.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    True. And ultimately most of positive groups for white men are either abandoned or only for octogenarians. For example there was the shriners, rotary club, and free masons(ignoring conspiracy theories) in the 1970s, no one basically joins those these days.

    Again I agree it's up to white men to make these groups, it's just difficult to prove your group is not like say the proud boys. Not asking for some other group to take responsibility for making these groups, just lementing that there are not really any left.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 3 months ago

    it’s just difficult to prove your group is not like say the proud boys.

    I totally understand, but this isn't unique to men's groups either. Best to forge ahead and allow the criticisms to fall on deaf ears as long as you're truly creating a positive group.

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