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Why aren't AI companies competing directly with their customers? (pluralistic.net)
submitted 3 months ago by to c/fuck_ai@lemmy.world
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if you can make all the money with your amazing system, why do you need my money?

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[–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

Moving goal posts? LLM can be used to dynamically convert natural language in to database queries, CLI commands, Goals with parameters for HTN and GOAP systems.

It can also be used to extract and transform information from natural language for use with symbolic systems like knowledge graphs or new rules for rule engine.

It can also be used to further develop and maintain existing symbolic systems and processes.

None of this is as exiting as "AGI" or LLM getting labeled as cyber weapon but more sane use cases for the technology than running expensive chatbots inside a loop to act as slot machines that may or may give you what you want.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    It can write database queries, great! Summer interns can also write database queries! You still need an expert to verify it, in either case. The fact that an intern wrote it does not mean the database itself is an example of why interns are important. You are deliberately blurring the lines between a component of a live system and a tool used to create systems, just like you blur the lines between different historical uses of the term 'ai'. You came into the fuck_ai community trying to launder LLM promotion through misdirection, obfuscation, and half-truths. I'd be impressed by your ability to be confidently wrong, but that's the one thing LLM's are genuinely good at and it cheapens the effect. Nobody here is fooled anymore.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    And you are constantly putting words in my mouth because your arguments do not stand on their own. I've never claimed that you do not need to verify LLM outputs, infact I believe that paradox of automation will be one thing that'll bite these companies in the ass most in coming years.

    The fact that big tech is hijacking the term AI to sell their generative AI services does not make GOFAI any less AI that next token prediction systems. Sure my stance for AI may be too moderate here.

    But if you truly hate all forms of AI better stop playing video games as they are often full of AI agents called NPC's or bots. Better stop using internet search because not only are the web crawlers form of AI so can be knowledge graphs (reasoning) and search algorithms using machine learning.

    My "hatred" is mostly directed against big tech and tech-bros trying to sell generative AI as solution for everything and by doing so irresponsibly damaging the enviromental, social and economic pillars of our society.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago

    Heck, need to translate or parse noisy, structured data like text, voice, images, video? Make the symbolic AI use self hosted lightweight LLM as a tool to translate it to symbolic form. No need for wasteful huge frontier models for that

    Except, no, nobody is doing that.

    Technologies like HTN, rule-engines or knowledge graphs are order of magnitudes cheaper to run than LLM. Now these technologies can benefit from LLMs in various ways for example enterprise applications and integrations.

    Again, nobody is integrating llms into other products. It's unstable.

    The actual real-life use cases you gave for historical ai systems don't exist for gen ai. It's just for chatbots and pedos on twitter. If it was benefitting symbolic ai systems, then we would see improvement in symbolic ai systems. If it was benefitting game npc ai, we would have better game ai. No, llms are kinda-sorta accomplishing the same things we already know how to do, but mostly worse.

    Every comment of yours is a bunch of half truths covering for a lie. This one is really brazen though, as I have called you out now in every post for conflating ai in games and generative ai, and here you are grouping them all together once again. I think you realized how ridiculous it was and couched it with another paragraph of virtue signalling. You are not a serious person.

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