▲ 416 ▼ Yeah, what are you doing with the voting machines? (sh.itjust.works) submitted 4 months ago by pelespirit@sh.itjust.works to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.ca 45 comments fedilink hide all child comments https://www.reuters.com/world/white-house-delays-release-us-voting-machine-study-midterms-near-2026-06-19/
[–] AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 months ago (8 children) Americans: failing to solve problems nobody has since 1776 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (7 children) Solving the problem of secure and trustworthy voting is a problem as old as democracy itself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago* (6 children) Most of the first world had that figured out a long time ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (5 children) They haven't. The procedures in place only work if the folks in charge are honorable and the voters are trustworthy. What we have, in the modern day, is a deep skepticism of elections outside of the NATO block and a naive presumption of infallibility inside the block (among liberals, mostly assuming their guys win). In the US, in particular, even liberals are increasingly distrustful of the physical apparatus of vote collection and tabulation. It's been a long time coming (2000 and 2004 being very nakedly and obviously stolen races). But trustworthiness has taken a real nosedive since 2024. A recent survey conducted by the Center for Transparent and Trusted Elections at UC San Diego found that only 60% of respondents were confident votes in the midterm elections will be counted accurately. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 months ago (4 children) You need to stop looking at americans as some sort of normal people whose problems apply to everyone else. Motherfuckers can't even get the concept of national ID cards right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] plutopos@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago No, I'm in Europe, but we have those issues too sometimes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (2 children) Motherfuckers can’t even get the concept of national ID cards right. There's a sharp dispute over the purpose of such a card. Do you want cards to rapidly integrate people into your society? Or do you want them to strictly exclude and segregate people into immuntable castes? Hard to create a single universal document if you can't agree on that premise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) It's just a national proof of citizenship it's not that deep. I swear yall americans way too fucking dumb to be your own country permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago It’s just a national proof of citizenship it’s not that deep. That's how the SSN was pitched, sure. Then it became a reliable unique identifier and started getting used for everything. I swear yall americans way too fucking dumb to be your own country Which country do all the smart people live in, again? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (7 children) Solving the problem of secure and trustworthy voting is a problem as old as democracy itself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago* (6 children) Most of the first world had that figured out a long time ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (5 children) They haven't. The procedures in place only work if the folks in charge are honorable and the voters are trustworthy. What we have, in the modern day, is a deep skepticism of elections outside of the NATO block and a naive presumption of infallibility inside the block (among liberals, mostly assuming their guys win). In the US, in particular, even liberals are increasingly distrustful of the physical apparatus of vote collection and tabulation. It's been a long time coming (2000 and 2004 being very nakedly and obviously stolen races). But trustworthiness has taken a real nosedive since 2024. A recent survey conducted by the Center for Transparent and Trusted Elections at UC San Diego found that only 60% of respondents were confident votes in the midterm elections will be counted accurately. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 months ago (4 children) You need to stop looking at americans as some sort of normal people whose problems apply to everyone else. Motherfuckers can't even get the concept of national ID cards right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] plutopos@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago No, I'm in Europe, but we have those issues too sometimes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (2 children) Motherfuckers can’t even get the concept of national ID cards right. There's a sharp dispute over the purpose of such a card. Do you want cards to rapidly integrate people into your society? Or do you want them to strictly exclude and segregate people into immuntable castes? Hard to create a single universal document if you can't agree on that premise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) It's just a national proof of citizenship it's not that deep. I swear yall americans way too fucking dumb to be your own country permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago It’s just a national proof of citizenship it’s not that deep. That's how the SSN was pitched, sure. Then it became a reliable unique identifier and started getting used for everything. I swear yall americans way too fucking dumb to be your own country Which country do all the smart people live in, again? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago* (6 children) Most of the first world had that figured out a long time ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (5 children) They haven't. The procedures in place only work if the folks in charge are honorable and the voters are trustworthy. What we have, in the modern day, is a deep skepticism of elections outside of the NATO block and a naive presumption of infallibility inside the block (among liberals, mostly assuming their guys win). In the US, in particular, even liberals are increasingly distrustful of the physical apparatus of vote collection and tabulation. It's been a long time coming (2000 and 2004 being very nakedly and obviously stolen races). But trustworthiness has taken a real nosedive since 2024. A recent survey conducted by the Center for Transparent and Trusted Elections at UC San Diego found that only 60% of respondents were confident votes in the midterm elections will be counted accurately. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 months ago (4 children) You need to stop looking at americans as some sort of normal people whose problems apply to everyone else. Motherfuckers can't even get the concept of national ID cards right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] plutopos@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago No, I'm in Europe, but we have those issues too sometimes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (2 children) Motherfuckers can’t even get the concept of national ID cards right. There's a sharp dispute over the purpose of such a card. Do you want cards to rapidly integrate people into your society? Or do you want them to strictly exclude and segregate people into immuntable castes? Hard to create a single universal document if you can't agree on that premise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) It's just a national proof of citizenship it's not that deep. I swear yall americans way too fucking dumb to be your own country permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago It’s just a national proof of citizenship it’s not that deep. That's how the SSN was pitched, sure. Then it became a reliable unique identifier and started getting used for everything. I swear yall americans way too fucking dumb to be your own country Which country do all the smart people live in, again? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (5 children) They haven't. The procedures in place only work if the folks in charge are honorable and the voters are trustworthy. What we have, in the modern day, is a deep skepticism of elections outside of the NATO block and a naive presumption of infallibility inside the block (among liberals, mostly assuming their guys win). In the US, in particular, even liberals are increasingly distrustful of the physical apparatus of vote collection and tabulation. It's been a long time coming (2000 and 2004 being very nakedly and obviously stolen races). But trustworthiness has taken a real nosedive since 2024. A recent survey conducted by the Center for Transparent and Trusted Elections at UC San Diego found that only 60% of respondents were confident votes in the midterm elections will be counted accurately. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 months ago (4 children) You need to stop looking at americans as some sort of normal people whose problems apply to everyone else. Motherfuckers can't even get the concept of national ID cards right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] plutopos@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago No, I'm in Europe, but we have those issues too sometimes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (2 children) Motherfuckers can’t even get the concept of national ID cards right. There's a sharp dispute over the purpose of such a card. Do you want cards to rapidly integrate people into your society? Or do you want them to strictly exclude and segregate people into immuntable castes? Hard to create a single universal document if you can't agree on that premise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) It's just a national proof of citizenship it's not that deep. I swear yall americans way too fucking dumb to be your own country permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago It’s just a national proof of citizenship it’s not that deep. That's how the SSN was pitched, sure. Then it became a reliable unique identifier and started getting used for everything. I swear yall americans way too fucking dumb to be your own country Which country do all the smart people live in, again? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 months ago (4 children) You need to stop looking at americans as some sort of normal people whose problems apply to everyone else. Motherfuckers can't even get the concept of national ID cards right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] plutopos@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago No, I'm in Europe, but we have those issues too sometimes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (2 children) Motherfuckers can’t even get the concept of national ID cards right. There's a sharp dispute over the purpose of such a card. Do you want cards to rapidly integrate people into your society? Or do you want them to strictly exclude and segregate people into immuntable castes? Hard to create a single universal document if you can't agree on that premise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) It's just a national proof of citizenship it's not that deep. I swear yall americans way too fucking dumb to be your own country permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago It’s just a national proof of citizenship it’s not that deep. That's how the SSN was pitched, sure. Then it became a reliable unique identifier and started getting used for everything. I swear yall americans way too fucking dumb to be your own country Which country do all the smart people live in, again? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] plutopos@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago No, I'm in Europe, but we have those issues too sometimes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (2 children) Motherfuckers can’t even get the concept of national ID cards right. There's a sharp dispute over the purpose of such a card. Do you want cards to rapidly integrate people into your society? Or do you want them to strictly exclude and segregate people into immuntable castes? Hard to create a single universal document if you can't agree on that premise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) It's just a national proof of citizenship it's not that deep. I swear yall americans way too fucking dumb to be your own country permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago It’s just a national proof of citizenship it’s not that deep. That's how the SSN was pitched, sure. Then it became a reliable unique identifier and started getting used for everything. I swear yall americans way too fucking dumb to be your own country Which country do all the smart people live in, again? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) It's just a national proof of citizenship it's not that deep. I swear yall americans way too fucking dumb to be your own country permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago It’s just a national proof of citizenship it’s not that deep. That's how the SSN was pitched, sure. Then it became a reliable unique identifier and started getting used for everything. I swear yall americans way too fucking dumb to be your own country Which country do all the smart people live in, again? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago It’s just a national proof of citizenship it’s not that deep. That's how the SSN was pitched, sure. Then it became a reliable unique identifier and started getting used for everything. I swear yall americans way too fucking dumb to be your own country Which country do all the smart people live in, again? permalink fedilink source parent
