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[Video] Hasan Piker gets LBC journalist Lewis Goodall to admit he values Israeli lives a thousand times more than Palestinian lives (i.imgur.com)
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[+] -7 points 5 months ago (15 children)

To be fair, I do think Hamas's attack on Israeli civilians in 2023 was completely wrong.

And yes I think Israel's bombings of Gaza have been completely wrong, and their efforts to further colonise the West Bank are completely wrong, and their withholding food and medicine from Gaza are completely wrong, etc.

Surely the best thing would be a new peace process. The US has the power to kickstart a new peace process, but of course Trump has no interest in a just peace.

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    To be fair, I do think Hamas’s attack on Israeli civilians in 2023 was completely wrong.

    Why? Should Palestinians die in their concentration camp while doing nothing about it?

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    I don't think it's right to attack civilians. If Hamas wants to destroy Israeli military equipment then fair enough, I could see a case for that.

    Plenty of people dislike US military interventions (for good reasons) - does that mean it would be right to kill US civilians in return? I don't think so. Some civilians might support the worst actions of their government, but other civilians don't at all.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I don’t think it’s right to attack civilians. If Hamas wants to destroy Israeli military equipment then fair enough, I could see a case for that.

    You mean like they did on October 7 where they attacked military bases around the Gaza concentration camp

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    They also killed Israeli civilians and I don't think it's right to kill civilians, whether it's Israeli or Palestinian civilians, Jewish or Muslim, or anyone else.

    Obviously Palestinians are underdogs against Israel, and I think what Israel is currently doing to Palestine is terrible and wrong. I still don't think killing civilians is a good answer to that problem though.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Not a justification, but one of the problems with Israeli conscription laws is that service is mandatory, and everyone who serves is obligated to be a reservist until the age of 40 and even 50 depending.

    It gets real hard to distinguish if any given individuals in Israel are one of the limited populations exempted from serving in the IDF.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Its been very well proven Israel slaughtered many of its own citizens that day, not Hamas.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago

    I think Al Jazeera is known to be critical of Israel right? And they have said that Hamas killed civilians in the October 2023 attack:

    thousands witnessed a massacre at an Israeli music festival where Hamas fighters killed at least 260 people and took captives back into Gaza

    Anyway, I hope Palestinians can live in peace without Israel murdering Palestinians, and without Israelis taking Palestinian land, etc. I hope everyone in that area can live in peace and with equal rights. I don't approve of any killings of civilians, whether it's by Hamas or Israel. Some people say "Israel has killed far more civilians than Hamas has, since October 2023", and yes that's very likely true, but that doesn't mean Hamas killed no civilians.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Hassan never denied that the murder of civilians during october 7 is wrong

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Yeah fair enough. I think Hamas and Israel are both run by bad people with blood on their hands, although yes it looks like Israel currently has more blood on their hands, since they have killed far more civilians since October 2023 than Hamas has.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Do you think hamas still have the right to fight the colonial army despite the attrocities they commited?

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I think if they were fighting the IDF and not harming civilians that would be better. And I also think things would be better if Israel were to stop harming Palestinian civilians, stop colonising the West Bank, recognise the state of Palestine, and have productive relations with Palestine.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    It was a yes or no question. Does hamas lose the right to resist colonization by targetting the occupation force because of the atrrocities it commited during october 7?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Okay I will answer the question differently. No I don't think Hamas does "lose the right to resist" because of Hamas killing civilians. But I still think killing civilians is wrong, and preferably war crimes (such as harming civilians) should have legal consequences, whether those crimes are committed by Israelis, or Palestinians, or anybody.

    Edit: just to clarify, when it comes to "the right to resist", I don't think that includes the right to harm civilians. But if Hamas were to attack IDF infrastructure and try to push the IDF out of Palestine then I could see the case for that. If it's acceptable for Israel to use weapons to defend Israeli territory then it should be equally acceptable for Palestinians to use weapons to defend Palestinian territory.

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