Yes, its generative, but it illustrates the idea

I was going to post on !fedimemes@feddit.uk but that instance has a no generative content policy.

I think a major limiter on lemmy growth are the instances that encourage talk of violence, crime, being abusive to others, and are just generally super combative...bad neighbors - maybe not written into the instance rules, but as demonstrated by what instance admins don't enforce on their own users.

I know a schism is scary for a small society like lemmy, but I'm starting to think its necessary

if not a defederation, some protocol level whitelisting of users or comms that demonstrate the bare minimum of being able to play nicely with others (realizing this would take some novel work - like adding a user level whitelist to federation rather then the current banlist, and while were at it some eventual consistency in meta-state in bans)

Basically, the toxicity needs to be partitioned off, gated, or some level of meta-moderation for instances that wont police themselves to minimum levels of behavior. It's embarrassing to share lemmy with people I know now, given how off the wall it quickly gets.

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People ready and willing to give in to violent impulses are on both side of the issue, and both sides need to handle those people so the rest of us can talk. The problem is that one side is handling theirs, and the other side isn't. The longer this goes on, the worse it looks for those of us still trying to hold back the violence from our side, but it's not a matter of things getting bad enough that we can justify letting the violent ones go ahead. It's about holding fast to higher principles no matter what anyone else says or does. It's about having the strength and courage to believe in a future of peaceful coexistence, to move toward that goal, no matter how ineffective it might seem right now.

Our true enemy is nothing less than the survival-selected instincts that kept our kind alive until today, when we can replace those instincts with social and technological security. We developed that security in a matter of centuries. Evolution takes hundreds of thousands of years. Do the math. Choose peace.

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