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[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (5 children) Anarchism isn't the only way to be a leftist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago (4 children) There's an awful lot of space between authoritarianism and anarchism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Soggy@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (3 children) There sure is, including "vanguardism" which was what many conflate with totalitarianism because of how the Cold War shook out. Really, it was the success of anti-Communist propaganda in the Red Scares that has colored so much of our assumptions and talking points as well as the unbridled might of the American military to suppress and punish any nation that tried something other than subservience. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) In what way would you classify the Chinese or Russian governments that these tankies support "communist?" That's like believing that Nazis were a socialist party simply because that word is in the name. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Well that's easy, I don't. Looking at the actions of Putin or Xi Jinping and saying "this is a communist state that I fully endorse" doesn't make sense to me. But I think there's a lot of people that look at those countries through the historical lens and resonate with the aspirations and ideals of Marx and Lenin and other political thinkers of the era and get wrapped up in the association. And America has made it really easy to bash America, that tends to land you among modern and historical rivals. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago (4 children) There's an awful lot of space between authoritarianism and anarchism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Soggy@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (3 children) There sure is, including "vanguardism" which was what many conflate with totalitarianism because of how the Cold War shook out. Really, it was the success of anti-Communist propaganda in the Red Scares that has colored so much of our assumptions and talking points as well as the unbridled might of the American military to suppress and punish any nation that tried something other than subservience. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) In what way would you classify the Chinese or Russian governments that these tankies support "communist?" That's like believing that Nazis were a socialist party simply because that word is in the name. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Well that's easy, I don't. Looking at the actions of Putin or Xi Jinping and saying "this is a communist state that I fully endorse" doesn't make sense to me. But I think there's a lot of people that look at those countries through the historical lens and resonate with the aspirations and ideals of Marx and Lenin and other political thinkers of the era and get wrapped up in the association. And America has made it really easy to bash America, that tends to land you among modern and historical rivals. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Soggy@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (3 children) There sure is, including "vanguardism" which was what many conflate with totalitarianism because of how the Cold War shook out. Really, it was the success of anti-Communist propaganda in the Red Scares that has colored so much of our assumptions and talking points as well as the unbridled might of the American military to suppress and punish any nation that tried something other than subservience. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) In what way would you classify the Chinese or Russian governments that these tankies support "communist?" That's like believing that Nazis were a socialist party simply because that word is in the name. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Well that's easy, I don't. Looking at the actions of Putin or Xi Jinping and saying "this is a communist state that I fully endorse" doesn't make sense to me. But I think there's a lot of people that look at those countries through the historical lens and resonate with the aspirations and ideals of Marx and Lenin and other political thinkers of the era and get wrapped up in the association. And America has made it really easy to bash America, that tends to land you among modern and historical rivals. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) In what way would you classify the Chinese or Russian governments that these tankies support "communist?" That's like believing that Nazis were a socialist party simply because that word is in the name. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Well that's easy, I don't. Looking at the actions of Putin or Xi Jinping and saying "this is a communist state that I fully endorse" doesn't make sense to me. But I think there's a lot of people that look at those countries through the historical lens and resonate with the aspirations and ideals of Marx and Lenin and other political thinkers of the era and get wrapped up in the association. And America has made it really easy to bash America, that tends to land you among modern and historical rivals. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Well that's easy, I don't. Looking at the actions of Putin or Xi Jinping and saying "this is a communist state that I fully endorse" doesn't make sense to me. But I think there's a lot of people that look at those countries through the historical lens and resonate with the aspirations and ideals of Marx and Lenin and other political thinkers of the era and get wrapped up in the association. And America has made it really easy to bash America, that tends to land you among modern and historical rivals. permalink fedilink source parent