▲ 1006 ▼ Utah first state to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs — law goes into effect, designed to prevent bypassing age checks (www.tomshardware.com) submitted 6 months ago by LuminousLuddite@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 330 comments fedilink hide all child comments 🤬 5 🤣 1
[–] baronvonj@piefed.social 4 points 6 months ago (4 children) It's actually quite trivial to detect most VPN providers. There's publicly available IP lists https://ipinfo.io/tools/vpn-providers-detected permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] limonfiesta@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (3 children) Many VPN providers regularly rotate their IP ranges. Regardless, that wouldn't reveal to a website where the traffic was originating from. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] baronvonj@piefed.social 5 points 6 months ago (2 children) wouldn't reveal to a website where the traffic is coming from that's... exactly the point here. If you're connecting thru a VPN then the web site is supposed to ID you because you might be circumventing their local ID laws. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] limonfiesta@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (1 child) I was replying specifically to your comment... "It's actually quite trivial to detect most VPN providers. There's publicly available IP lists..." None of that has anything with what I'm suggesting, or why I suggested it. I've explained the rationale in other comments, but this is an action of protest, not a technical response or workaround to the law. If Utah passed the stupid law, you have to inconvenience Utah voters, and to do that, websites should block all Utah IP addresses. Making clear to their users that due to the new regulatory framework, they're no longer doing business in Utah. If that upsets people in Utah, they can reach out to their representatives to ask why they voted to ruin the internet in Utah. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] baronvonj@piefed.social 3 points 6 months ago you originally said they cannot tell who's using a VPN I was replying to that specific statement only. Lists of IP ranges are updated regularly and publicly available. Web sites hosted in Utah will have to make use of them to ID check visitors to comply. I agree with you that web sites hosted outside of Utah should just block Utah IP addresses with a "contact your representative" message." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] limonfiesta@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (3 children) Many VPN providers regularly rotate their IP ranges. Regardless, that wouldn't reveal to a website where the traffic was originating from. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] baronvonj@piefed.social 5 points 6 months ago (2 children) wouldn't reveal to a website where the traffic is coming from that's... exactly the point here. If you're connecting thru a VPN then the web site is supposed to ID you because you might be circumventing their local ID laws. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] limonfiesta@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (1 child) I was replying specifically to your comment... "It's actually quite trivial to detect most VPN providers. There's publicly available IP lists..." None of that has anything with what I'm suggesting, or why I suggested it. I've explained the rationale in other comments, but this is an action of protest, not a technical response or workaround to the law. If Utah passed the stupid law, you have to inconvenience Utah voters, and to do that, websites should block all Utah IP addresses. Making clear to their users that due to the new regulatory framework, they're no longer doing business in Utah. If that upsets people in Utah, they can reach out to their representatives to ask why they voted to ruin the internet in Utah. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] baronvonj@piefed.social 3 points 6 months ago you originally said they cannot tell who's using a VPN I was replying to that specific statement only. Lists of IP ranges are updated regularly and publicly available. Web sites hosted in Utah will have to make use of them to ID check visitors to comply. I agree with you that web sites hosted outside of Utah should just block Utah IP addresses with a "contact your representative" message." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] baronvonj@piefed.social 5 points 6 months ago (2 children) wouldn't reveal to a website where the traffic is coming from that's... exactly the point here. If you're connecting thru a VPN then the web site is supposed to ID you because you might be circumventing their local ID laws. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] limonfiesta@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (1 child) I was replying specifically to your comment... "It's actually quite trivial to detect most VPN providers. There's publicly available IP lists..." None of that has anything with what I'm suggesting, or why I suggested it. I've explained the rationale in other comments, but this is an action of protest, not a technical response or workaround to the law. If Utah passed the stupid law, you have to inconvenience Utah voters, and to do that, websites should block all Utah IP addresses. Making clear to their users that due to the new regulatory framework, they're no longer doing business in Utah. If that upsets people in Utah, they can reach out to their representatives to ask why they voted to ruin the internet in Utah. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] baronvonj@piefed.social 3 points 6 months ago you originally said they cannot tell who's using a VPN I was replying to that specific statement only. Lists of IP ranges are updated regularly and publicly available. Web sites hosted in Utah will have to make use of them to ID check visitors to comply. I agree with you that web sites hosted outside of Utah should just block Utah IP addresses with a "contact your representative" message." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] limonfiesta@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (1 child) I was replying specifically to your comment... "It's actually quite trivial to detect most VPN providers. There's publicly available IP lists..." None of that has anything with what I'm suggesting, or why I suggested it. I've explained the rationale in other comments, but this is an action of protest, not a technical response or workaround to the law. If Utah passed the stupid law, you have to inconvenience Utah voters, and to do that, websites should block all Utah IP addresses. Making clear to their users that due to the new regulatory framework, they're no longer doing business in Utah. If that upsets people in Utah, they can reach out to their representatives to ask why they voted to ruin the internet in Utah. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] baronvonj@piefed.social 3 points 6 months ago you originally said they cannot tell who's using a VPN I was replying to that specific statement only. Lists of IP ranges are updated regularly and publicly available. Web sites hosted in Utah will have to make use of them to ID check visitors to comply. I agree with you that web sites hosted outside of Utah should just block Utah IP addresses with a "contact your representative" message." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] baronvonj@piefed.social 3 points 6 months ago you originally said they cannot tell who's using a VPN I was replying to that specific statement only. Lists of IP ranges are updated regularly and publicly available. Web sites hosted in Utah will have to make use of them to ID check visitors to comply. I agree with you that web sites hosted outside of Utah should just block Utah IP addresses with a "contact your representative" message." permalink fedilink source parent