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"cuz, y'know, China bad." (lemmy.ml)
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[–] 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Bring it on. Disprove the rare vance incident, or prove your bullshit claims about WeChat. If you can do neither, it's a clear case of projection.

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  • [+] -7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    WeChat uses transport encryption but not end to end. This is well known. If you're unwilling to search here's an article.

    However WeChat doesn’t use end-to-end encryption (E2EE).

    Here's another.

    WeChat encrypts data, but it’s not E2EE, which means WeChat can access the content of your messages

    And another (this one's from citizen lab and a reasonably technical dive).

    On a technical level, WeChat’s encryption protocol protects the communication between user devices and WeChat’s servers. It is not an end-to-end encryption system, which would encrypt data sent between two user devices.

    There's no end to them tbh.

    If you can find me anything that says WeChat uses E2E anywhere I'll read it but they don't even claim that themselves so I think you'll be hard pressed.

    Here's a list of blocked phrases on WeChat.

    I honestly have no idea what you're banging on about with the Vance thing. I'm not from the USA which I assumed was your assertion.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I didn't ask you to prove anything about e2e. I asked you to prove that "something bad happens to you when you use pgp in WeChat"

    Read about the rare vance incident, what happened there was pretty much what you were so insistent on would happen in china. That's why I assumed you were projecting.

    Maybe you were not projecting, that's ok. Maybe you read it in a fiction book. Or it came to you in a dream. Who knows, you certainly won't tell me.

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  • [+] -7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Ah....I didn't say that something bad happens. I said see what happens. It's an important difference...

    I wouldn't be comfortable using PGP encrypted messages sent through WeChat if I were there and communicating with a local (and I have been, many times). I would be very, very concerned about getting them in trouble. End to end encryption is not tolerated in China and using PGP would essentially bring that so I would consider it a significant risk. It's speculative, I'll admit that no problem but as I say I wouldn't do it.

    That's my threat model. The fact that end to end doesn't exist in China should tell you everything you need to know about deep rooted state level surveillance there. It does to me but if you think that in general all messaging providers should be able to see your text messages for some reason and think that combined with that, all those blocked phrases are not because the state wants control and oversight then your threat model and view of government surveillance (not just in China) is.... different.

    I'm glad I live somewhere that I feel free to text my wife on signal and I'm confident it's not being read by anyone. If the day ever comes that stops being the case I'll fight for it because privacy is important to me. Everyone can fuck off out of private conversations between me and my loved ones. They're boring as shite but they're mine and mine alone.

    Yeah I'm not aware of the Vance thing but I'll have a search. If you have a link handy I'd appreciate it as it might be hard to find without more context. (Edit: yeah I'm not finding it.)

    That block list makes for interesting reading. Worth a look.

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