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[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 point 7 months ago* (12 children)

China is at least progressing nicely. While America regresses.

China is doing an amazing job on the renewables front no doubt

But they are also doing a fantastic job installing new coal power plants

A “resurgence” in construction of new coal-fired power plants in China is “undermining the country’s clean-energy progress”, says a new joint report by the Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air (CREA) and Global Energy Monitor (GEM).

https://www.carbonbrief.org/chinas-construction-of-new-coal-power-plants-reached-10-year-high-in-2024/

https://www.carbonbrief.org/guest-post-just-15-countries-account-for-98-of-new-coal-power-development/

This is something they are choosing to do willingly, knowing they are the highest polluting country in the world by far

I also think the American regress is overstated

We are still seeing records broken on the regular: https://reneweconomy.com.au/grid-batteries-reach-stunning-new-peak-of-44-pct-of-evening-demand-in-worlds-fourth-biggest-economy/

A big part of this is because right wing people think renewables are economically bad and ideologically motivated, whereas in reality they are economically sound and the right wingers are the ones who are driven by ideology

You one of those what if’ers, eh?

The opposite, I live in reality, remember the planet doesn't care about per capita, only actual output ;)

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[–] fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (11 children)

I wouldn't call it undermining. China adding coal capacity while scaling renewables is not evidence of hypocrisy. It’s evidence of a system trying to meet rising demand and stabilize a grid during rapid buildout. Both things can be true at once without one cancelling the other.

You think right wing people think? Brrruhhhhh....

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[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone -1 points 7 months ago (10 children)

I wouldn’t call it undermining

Really? You don't think building 500 coal power plants is undermining their clean energy goals? What would it take? 1000 coal power plants?

China adding coal capacity while scaling renewables is not evidence of hypocrisy. It’s evidence of a system trying to meet rising demand and stabilize a grid during rapid buildout. Both things can be true at once without one cancelling the other.

You don't think other countries are also trying to meet rising demand and stabilise their grids? I think Germany might like a word and last I saw they weren't building 500 new coal power plants

You think right wing people think? Brrruhhhhh…

I wouldn't be talking shit about anyone, you just gave China (the current number 1 highest co2 emitter in the world by far) a free ride to pollute as much as possible while giving the USA shit for 'regressing' despite the fact the USA isn't even doing half the co2 output China is

I guess the USA can regress another few million tons of co2 a day since it's trying to meet rising demand and stabilise its grid

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[–] fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (9 children)

I could Google this. But I'm just curious what ya think...

What do you think the population of China is?

What do you think the population of Germany is?

Are those numbers not many orders of magnitude different?

Talking shit? Free rides?

What's the population of America?

And the funny thing about America - if you consider just them and ignore everybody else on the planet - just America's emissions are not sustainable. And that's only a few hundred million people. Not billions.

The thing about China, though. They're leading the world in renewables. And if you had any sense then you'd realize renewables typically only work optimally occasionally. Things like wind power only work when there's wind. Solar when there's sun. Whereas coal/oil/gas you can burn 24/7/365 until there's no more dinosaur corpses or ancient forests left to burn.

Sure, China is currently the largest annual emitter of CO₂. That’s mainly because it’s the world’s manufacturing base plus a massive ongoing infrastructure and energy expansion. But per person, the U.S. is still higher! Americans emit significantly more CO₂ per capita than Chinese citizens.

Fossil fuels are still used for dispatchability in many places(China), but batteries, grid interconnects, and demand-shifting are changing that equation fast.

You ignore history. The USA - cumulatively - has produced a lot more pollution than China - cumulatively.

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[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 point 7 months ago (8 children)

hey already responded about population here

https://aussie.zone/post/31299070/22304750

also india has a bigger population than china, you can compare co2 emissions

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[–] fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (7 children)

India is fantastic in that regard.

They are below the global average.

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[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 point 7 months ago (6 children)

In population? I think you'll find they're number 1, they have nearly 1.5 BILLION people

Absurd

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[–] fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (5 children)

Emissions/population

Not so absurd then. Better than USA or China.

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[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 point 7 months ago (4 children)

If their emissions start trending downwards then yes, fantastic, if they continue as they currently are blasting off like a rocket and overtaking the USA and EU by the end of 2030 then no, awful, garbage

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[–] fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (3 children)

It's kind of like someone farted in a room and no one wants to fess up and everyone's pointing a finger at one another ... But to be honest they all just shit them pants simultaneously.

Happy happy joy joy

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[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

For me it's like all the western nations have reduced the amount of farting they do because the oxygen in the room is rapidly depleting while China/India massively increase the amount of farting they do not giving a shit

China especially egregiously building 500 coal power plants, planning to fart louder and harder than 99% of the room and then expecting no one to say anything

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[–] fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 child)

Have you not seen a population density map? It's amazing...? almost every problem in the world!? If you just put a population density map ... bam it's like the same thing.

See this: https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co2?time=1998..2024&country=CHN%7EUSA%7EIND%7EEuropean+Union+%2828%29%7EIDN%7EPAK%7ENGA&hideControls=false&Gas+or+Warming=CO%E2%82%82&Accounting=Territorial&Fuel+or+Land+Use+Change=All+fossil+emissions&Count=Per+country

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[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 point 7 months ago

How is this possible, I said I responded here: https://aussie.zone/post/31299070/22304750

This is the most populated countries in the world... notice the difference in co2 emissions ?