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dog lists obama (quokk.au)
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A meme showing a golden retriever sitting at a table with people, captioned: "My mom," "My extended liberal family talking about how much they miss Obama," and "Me getting ready to list off all his war crimes."
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[–] 17 points 7 months ago (6 children)

I wish online leftists hated conservatives half as much as they hate people who are only a little left wing. Like ya, Obama sucks and bombed a school a decade and a half ago but trump bombed one two weeks ago and also wants to do a genocide right now.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Well, Trump is bombing children now so of course the previous president who bombed children is okay.

    What an utterly daft statement that is lacking in solidarity. Like, bruh, they both bombed children in the pursuit of Imperialist power. That should fall well below the minimum expectations required for you to willingly be supportive of either candidate. This shortsighted, reactionary mentality is exactly how we ended up with the society we have.

    Continuing to settle for the 2nd worst option only ensures that society continues to backslide as the threat of something even worse traps people into ceding power to a "lesser evil" which in turn only enables evil to continue to hold power over the people.

    And absolutely laughing at the insinuation that Obama was even remotely left-wing. That is just a politically illiterate statement.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Leftists literally want to kill right-wingers. They only criticise 'centrists'.

    The fact that you think you're the bigger victim because people try to reach you with words instead of fists or bullets is your own naivety.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Leftists literally want to kill right-wingers. They only criticise ‘centrists’.

    That's curious, because overwhelmingly what is seen in these conversations are self-proclaimed leftists who neither kill nor criticize right-wingers, but find any reason to condemn anyone with any chance of making any change as some form of centrist. See: the reaction to Zohran Mamdani.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Want is not the same as doing, that takes a lot to drive people to radicalise enough to do so.

    And why criticise a right winger? They won't read it or learn from it. What a waste of effort, there's a least some hope to convert a centrist.

    And there is no chance of making any change as centrist under such a 'democracy', they are fleeting changes that can be revoked by the next person to get into power. Real, lasting change requires revolution not reform or voting.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Want is not the same as doing, that takes a lot to drive people to radicalise enough to do so.

    Okay, so the argument is that they want to do something against right-wingers, but do nothing. But they want to do something against insufficiently left-wing centrists, and do do that.

    Can you outline to me how this is any different than a given neolib saying they really want to stop conservatives, but only ever seem to actually try to nitpick and belittle progressives?

    And why criticise a right winger? They won’t read it or learn from it. What a waste of effort, there’s a least some hope to convert a centrist.

    Because conversations in the public sphere affect how people conceptualize and internalize ideas, apart from the direct conversants. When right-wing ideas are allowed to spread unchallenged, they become more normalized and change the political leanings of the society as a whole.

    And there is no chance of making any change as centrist under such a ‘democracy’, they are fleeting changes that can be revoked by the next person to get into power. Real, lasting change requires revolution not reform or voting.

    Okay, but that's separate from the notion that reform or voting are not worthwhile. For that, you have to reject the notion that revolution is affected by conditions in society (which is absurd) and assert that harm to oppressed demographics is immaterial (which is intuitively repugnant).

    Reform won't give us socialism. But it alleviates suffering and can put us in a better position to strike for socialism.

    The eight-hour day fucking sucks, but without it, we would be in WORSE organizing conditions in the modern day. Universal healthcare does not solve unequal access to healthcare systems, but few would argue that it was pointless for the UK and every other civilized country out there to pass.

    In any case, the objection made here is that self-proclaimed leftists who only punch left-of-society's-center, but never seem to find any even vaguely comparable amount of time to punch right-of-society's-center, is legitimately not a fucking good thing.

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