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Tesla's Cybertruck flop is historic. The brand collapse is even worse (www.dailykos.com)
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[–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Tesla sales in 2024 were lower than 2023. And 2025 sales so far are lower than 2024.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I would like nothing more (well, there's a few things I'd like more, but for the purposes of this we'll let it stand) than for this fucker to get hurt and for this shit business to implode.

    but nothing close to that is happening. sales that are lower than before indicate that there are still sales, nazi sled image notwithstanding. the P/E multiple is still through the roof. there aren't liquidity issues apparent.

    this might be an indication that things might be moving the right way, but at present, nothing is "collapsing".

    and even if alla that somehow materializes, this doesn't even touch the fucker in the slightest, it is inconceivable how much he's got.

    so, this is a cope article.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    A P/E ratio that's high indicates that investors think something is a growth stock. A typical mature but growing tech company has a P/E ratio of 20ish. Tesla's P/E ratio is currently 182.

    Now, there's a saying "the markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent", but TSLA is poised for a huge collapse. It was already way overvalued even a year ago when Musk was just this right-wing asshole who bought Twitter and ruined it. Everything since then has destroyed his image and made it so nobody wants to buy his cars. He's pissed off Democrats, and now he's pissed off MAGA Republicans. And, most importantly, Tesla is clearly no longer a growth stock. Sales are declining year after year.

    If Tesla were a normal, boring car company that was competently run by someone nobody hated, it might have a P/E ratio similar to Toyota: 7. To get there from here, TSLA would have to shed 96% of its value. Keep in mind, that's not what the price should be. That's what the price should be if nobody hated the brand and it was a normal well-run car company.

    Somebody is going to make absolute bags of money shorting TSLA. If I were rich I'd do it. But, as I'm not rich, the downside of the market remaining irrational is too big a risk. But, IMO, it's just a matter of time.

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