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[–] pheusie@programming.dev 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Sorry to say, but there's a lot questionable stuff found within your comment. But I will try to limit the discussion around some of the more egregious ones.

Hate to keep litigating this around here, but the shift alone is enough. Explaining to people WTF an immutable filesystem is, is a sure way to frustrate them into giving up, despite whatever comms finesse you might THINK you have.

I don't understand what's so hard to understand about (some) core system files being read-only, i.e. you can't change/modify it. Can you help me understand why that would cause so much frustration?

Counterpoint: STOP SUGGESTING IMMUTABLE DISTROS TO NEW USERS

Countering the counterpoint with an anecdote: I cold turkey switched from Windows to Fedora Silverblue almost 4 years ago. Beginner-friendly derivatives like Bazzite (or other uBlue images) weren't even around back then. And, somehow, I managed. And there are many other testimonials that point out something similar, especially with many^[Please, consider going over to the Bazzite subreddit and see it for yourself.] newbies appreciating Bazzite. Are you ignoring this empirical evidence? If so, on what basis?

there is ZERO benefit

Come on, you know that's not true. Perhaps you intended to write: "I suppose there is ZERO benefit to me (and others like me)". Though, if you genuinely don't know any, then please consider going over this (lengthy) blog post by Colin Walters, a key figure in the past and current development of Fedora Atomic and Fedora CoreOS. It's not a very efficient writing for educating oneself on this topic, but it's the best I know.

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[+] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip [S] -10 points 8 months ago (5 children)

You're throwing around all these buzzwords making it seem more complicated than it already is. A container is literally just an isolated process. That's it. No need to explain how the kernel treats it. They wony won't even ask for it unless they're ready to ditch the Atomic life.

And remember this is for absolute newbies. One sure way to make someone hate linux isn't to tell them they can't fuck up their system. It's to let them fuck it up and then call them an idiot when it happens. (I'm sure you wouldn't do that)

Not everyone has the time and energy to make their OS their hobby, and if you're not gonna be their sysadmin, i how can you trust they won't fuck up their system?

You might say they deserve to have their system ruined, but that is no way to make a Linux convert.

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[–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 10 points 8 months ago (1 child)

See, you say that as a Linux user.

Ordinary folks don't talk or think like Linux people. Nobody understands what a "process" is, let alone what a container is or what isolation means.

And if somebody is used to "pres butan get bacon" anything else is going to sound like gobbledygook.

Also: a modern distro running gnome or KDE is harder to screw up. Folks don't need to use clunky package managers like Synaptics. As a result, they are less likely to break things.