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[–] 0 points 8 months ago (11 children)

You agreed with:

Forcibly impregnating someone is also called rape.

Also agreed with:

It’s not rape if it’s your dog

And clarified:

However, my dog is my property, and someone can only artificially inseminate my property with my permission.

With these, we can derive your proposition: "Forcibly impregnating a dog that is your property is not rape".

I then made the first question:

If I own a human slave, me artificially inseminating them without consent isn’t rape?

Which is directly related, I just substituted "dog" with "human slave". No mention of "dog" or "livestock" in the above question, so there's no comparison nor equating as you said "Animal livestock are not comparable to human slaves". (If you disagree, please explicitly point out what is being compared and bring quotes).

Then I posed another question:

If I DNA test the slave from earlier and discover they aren’t human, inseminating them without consent wouldn’t be rape? Which is still completely relevant to your proposition, I just added a qualifier to the being that's being artificially inseminated.

If your logic worked in real life [...] then prove it by sticking to reality. You are commiting a modal fallacy by saying "real life" and "sticking to reality", as if had posed a physical hypothetical, which would mean "possible in this world".

I am posing you a logical hypothetical, which means "true in a possible world". If your proposition holds up to logic and reason (i.e. is a resonable proposition), you should be able to answer my logical hypotheticals and stop avoiding them like they'd hurt you.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (10 children)

    Your question is fundamentally unanswerable because I don't know what your imaginary "hooman" is (neither do you. As a matter of fact, it isn't even one thing because it will change and become anything you need it to be try to "catch" me in a false gotcha).

    My original response still stands: "Uh... what are they, then?" It's a fake thing that you make up and change at will. My logic is never inconsistent, but your subject will be, in an attempt to make it appear that my logic doesn't work. We're talking about apples or oranges, and you're trying to make up a non-defined fruit that is an apple when it suits you and an orange when you need it to be one, so that you can disguise a false equivalency of comparing apples to oranges.

    Nice try though. Stick to reality if you want to have a productive discussion. Logical arguments don't actually work the way you think they do. A valid hypothetical argument would require real subjects that are well defined. Perhaps you'd benefit from a 101 class on logic or debate.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    You asked for clarification on the second question, yet could at least have answered the first one. Seem like you are avoiding answering the first question.

    I don’t know what your imaginary “hooman” is. Imagine a random human you don't know. It's that human, they have every human characteristic but it's discovered they aren't from the species Homo sapiens.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    I didn't answer it because equating slaves to livestock is reprehensble and disgusting. Of course artificially inseminating any person, no matter free or enslaved, is rape.

    they have every human characteristic but

    but

    So they don't then, do they?

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Of course they don't, that's why I used the word "but". Now you also realized why I named them "hoomans" instead of "humans". Good one!

    Kinda like we can say "odd numbers are the integers but the multiples of 2". "But" meaning "removed", "without".

    Are you gonna answer any of my questions? I don't want other people to have the impression that you avoid questions, but I'm afraid this deep in the thread they might feel like you're avoiding answering.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago* (6 children)

    I have already answered all of them. No one can answer the "question" (invalid due to the flaws I've identified that haven't been addressed) that concerns the "hooman". I would answer it if it could be answered.

    And yeah I'm really not worried about that being the impression folks take away from this conversation 🤣

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    I’m really not worried about that being the impression folks take away from this conversation

    I grant you that.

    Now please remind me what was your answer to "If I own a human slave, me artificially inseminating them without consent isn’t rape?".

    Also please point out the concern with the second question that went unaddressed.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    You can't specifically point to your answer to my question because you haven't answered it. So I'll pose if for the third time:

    If I own a human slave, me artificially inseminating them without consent isn’t rape?

    The same way you can't point to a concern that I left unaddressed, because there isn't. So I'll pose it for the third time as well:

    If I DNA test the slave from earlier and discover they aren’t human, inseminating them without consent wouldn’t be rape?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    You can’t specifically point to your answer to my question because you haven’t answered it.

    If I own a human slave, me artificially inseminating them without consent isn’t rape?

    To clarify, I did mean without consent. Obviously people undergoing IVF or other fertility treatments by choice is not rape.

    If I DNA test the slave from earlier and discover they aren’t human, inseminating them without consent wouldn’t be rape?

    If you can't remember my direct and plain answers to your questions, or do your due diligence to scroll up and reread them, then this discussion cannot be productive. That's your responsibility.

    You're not a goldfish. You know I already answered these. So clearly you're engaging in bad faith. Blocked.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I grant you that you've answered my first question. My bad for accusing you of not answering it, the message got lost in the same paragraph that was justifying an answer refusal.

    I have clarified "what are hoomans" in a well defined manner and I'll do it again: Hoomans are like any human you don't know, but it's been found out that they're not from the Homo sapiens species. I also clarified that to have a false equivalency you have to have two different things being regarded as equivalent, which none of my questions have.

    What's the difference between a human and a non-human animal that justifies calling the fisting of one rape and not the other?

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