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[+] -51 points 8 months ago (28 children)

No, it isn't.

"Basically" your vibes aren't an actual answer. Businesses are not forking over millions to give away their code.

You can have conspiracy theories about it using the code anyway (I'm particularly confused about your use of the word "scrape" which tells me you don't know how AI training works, how hosting a website works, or how scraping works - maybe all three?) but surreptitiously using its competitors' code to train CoPilot would be a rare existential threat to Microsoft itself.

Does GitHub use Copilot Business or Enterprise data to train GitHub’s model?

No. GitHub does not use either Copilot Business or Enterprise data to train its models.

https://github.com/features/copilot#faq

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  • [–] 44 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    FAQs are not legally binding. If you want to quote something, then do privacy policy and terms of service.

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  • [+] -30 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    It's in every enterprise and business contract signed with them. The FAQ was just the first result on Google. Its obviousness shouldn't even require that much. It's extremely clear how few of Lemmy's "technology" crowd have any contact with adult life.

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  • [–] 35 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Why are you referring all your answers to GitHub Enterprise and corporate contracts? Nobody here is talking about that, as the news is about an open source project. Public GitHub and GitHub Enterprise are fundamentally different.

    You accuse others of responding based solely on "vibes," but you do exactly the same thing in the opposite direction. And yet, of all people, you're saying we don't act like adults.

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  • [+] -10 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    All of the responses are saying that Github reads all code. Github public and Github enterprise are products of the same organisation. Many are even saying they will consume enterprise data anyway despite contracts not to. As I said in my first response, there aren't many things that would ruin Microsoft's ability to operate but this is one.

    What vibes do you think I'm going off?

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    What vibes do you think I'm going off?

    What I meant was that you read the comments, identified inconsistencies from your point of view, and then responded in a confrontational manner without including the whole context.

    You do have some good points. But instead of opposing everything that has been said, you could have differentiated much better.

    For example:

    • Public repositories on github.com are definitely used for AI training
    • Private repositories on github.com are suspected of being used for training
    • Github Enterprise Cloud is probably contractually protected
    • Github Enterprise Server is the most secure of all options due to contracts and self-hosting (and therefore the only valid best option for enterprises with proprietary code)

    All of the responses are saying that Github reads all code.

    The first comment explicitly mentions "hosted on GitHub", which at least excludes GitHub Enterprise Server, which is self-hosted.

    The article is about an open source project that, by definition, uses public repositories.

    Github public and Github enterprise are products of the same organisation.

    Coming from someone who tells others that they first need to deal with "adult life", I find this statement surprising. I work for an international company and manage several Github orgas with hundreds of repos. Whether the code is stored on github.com or on our own Github Enterprise server is highly relevant and makes a huge difference.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    All code uploaded to Github is scraped

    This is the very simple statement that I was responding to, along with the next line about how using Github is implicit consent to feeding your data to an LLM. If the poster wants nuance, they are free to provide it themselves. You can see in subsequent responses there is none.

    Of course them being different matters. That's my point. Not all code uploaded to Github is being fed into an LLM. It is not consent if you are signing a contract demanding that something not be done. It's preposterous even at a surface level.

    Github Enterprise Server is different from Github Enterprise Cloud, which is what I was talking about, and which is explicitly not used for training LLMs, and if it were, would absolutely kill Github as a product and likely mire Microsoft in years of litigation.

    Frankly I don't know of any software company using Github Enterprise on-prem but I suppose there are probably some CEOs out there who haven't taken the OpEx pill. Maybe deep in the rainforest with Mokele-Mbembe. Certainly in my sliver of the tech industry, telecoms, the idea of owning a server is akin to having a deskphone and an outgoing mail room.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    If the poster wants nuance, they are free to provide it themselves.

    And that is the statement where I have to say that we must agree to disagree. I would find it a shame if the Fediverse just became Reddit 2.0.

    Frankly I don't know of any software company using Github Enterprise on-prem ...

    Self-hosted does not automatically mean on-prem. Most companies will not have their own server racks on site, but will either rent them or, most likely, use their own managed hyperscaler cloud. Github Enterprise Cloud, on the other hand, always runs on Azure and is managed by Microsoft.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Lemmy is completely unhinged on any AI topic. You can't engage rationally with these people.

    They have zero evidence that any of their accusations is really happening but they'll insult and bully people over it anyway.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (4 children)
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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Who are you employed by, I wonder?

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago*

    Just to add to what the other commenters said, the quote you highlighted doesn't even say what you think it does.

    It says that Copilot data is not used to train the models, not that code uploaded to Github isn't used to train the models.

    As an aside, your nitpicking of the term "scrape" and rant about how the user you're replying to must be ignorant is cringe, jsyk.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Lmao desperately trying to justify sunk cost, I see?

    You’re right, it’s not scraping, it’s worse. Most AI bots do scrape sites for data, though since MS has direct access to the GH backend, they don’t even need to scrape the data. You’re giving it to them directly.

    The issue here is trust. Microsoft, along with every other company invested in the AI race has proven repeatedly that getting ahead in said race is more important to them than anything else. It’s more important than user privacy, ToS, contracts, intellectual property, and the law itself.

    If they stand to make more money screwing you over than they stand to lose from a slap on the wrist in court, the choice is clear. And they will lie to your face about it. Profit machines as big as MS don’t care. They can’t. They are optimized for one thing.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    If you're gullible enough to believe an FAQ coming from Github themselves, then I have bad news for you.

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  • [+] -20 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    "Gullible" is not a thing you can be when somehow has signed a contract with you... that's why contracts exist.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    You gullible person, they write the contracts to protect themselves at your expense. For example:

    Check your Disney+ contract before going on a Disney cruise. If you use both services, you waive your right to go to court in case of injury or death on the cruise. Potentially for Life.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/streaming-movies-and-tv/new-disney-terms-of-service-have-a-few-clauses-you-need-to-read/ar-AA1zicFJ

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago

    It's incredible that you all are still acting like he's talking about individuals and not giant mega corporations that have an army of lawyers working on these contracts.

    There's no way these companies would allow ms to train copilot on their proprietary code. Not a single one of you had provided ANY proof that this is actually happening yet.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Someday when you’re grown up you will realize how cringe your way of communicating is.

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  • [+] -9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Sure. Any day now.

    Being embarrassed by association with people who say things like "all code uploaded to Github is subject to being scraped" might be childish. Not sure it's as childish as being embarrassed by "cringe" though. That would imply I care about your opinion on my communication. I don't.

    I do care that you understand that a half dozen people in this thread are actively outing themselves as completely ignorant about the real world of software development and the software industry in general. Probably not surprising given the words "Gentoo" and "Codeberg" in the title of the post.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Like Meta and it's privacy rules, I bet they do even if they're saying they don't.

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