▲ 353 ▼ Under questioning by Rand Paul, ICE officials confirm that yelling at officers is not assault and recording officers is not a crime. Know your rights. (cdn.social.linux.pizza) submitted 8 months ago by CubitOom@infosec.pub to c/progressivepolitics@lemmy.world 17 comments fedilink hide all child comments Source
[+] U7826391786239@lemmy.zip 58 points 8 months ago (10 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago I can believe it - it's just another measure of how fuX0r3d we are. permalink fedilink source parent [–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 24 points 8 months ago (8 children) Rand Paul and I disagree on many things, but he probably has more integrity than the rest of the Republican Senate caucus combined, and frankly I struggle to think of a Democrat in the Senate who I trust more either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 23 points 8 months ago (1 child) Maybe Ron Wyden? Please correct me if he's done something awful but he's one of only a few members of congress I've seen consistently push for our privacy rights. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 10 points 8 months ago Please correct me if he's done something awful Not to my knowledge. We can keep him on the nice list... For now permalink fedilink source parent [–] beetus@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (5 children) frankly I struggle to think of a Democrat in the Senate who I trust more either. ...what? Do you believe Bernie Sanders lacks integrity (maybe you're splitting hairs on "Democrat")? Elizabeth Warren? Mark Kelley? Idk, this seems like a poor attempt to "both sides" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 19 points 8 months ago (4 children) Bernie is an Independent. Warren helped the DNC derail Bernie's presidential run which definitely lost her points in my book. Kelley seems like a straight shooter. So, we got one. Your comment seems like a poor attempt to put me in a box because I said a positive thing about a Republican. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] beetus@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago* (3 children) Fair enough. I'm struggling with the constant attempts to pin the blame of trump on the Dems not being enough while also projecting various purity tests on the party. I respect that you weren't doing that, sorry. The dem party has a lot to improve on as whole and specifically with leadership. I also want anything better than Trump and I'm willing to settle, for now, on good enough. I wrongly interpreted your message as another attempt to wedge the party permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 10 points 8 months ago It was very big of you to concede the point and I appreciate your willingness to engage with nuance! I do think the Dems are less bad than the (Fascist) Republicans, but I don't excuse their lack of serious resistance. Hopefully we can find a way to dislodge the corrupt and sociopathic leaders of both parties and build a system that actually works for us some day. And yes, MAGA is a special brand of evil that I do not consider to be part of the "both sides" paradigm. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 4 points 8 months ago (1 child) I can say I agreed with the first half of his statement but rand paul is kinds the best of the worst to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago The other Libertarian, Massie, ranks a bit higher, if only for Junkyard Wars. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago I can believe it - it's just another measure of how fuX0r3d we are. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 24 points 8 months ago (8 children) Rand Paul and I disagree on many things, but he probably has more integrity than the rest of the Republican Senate caucus combined, and frankly I struggle to think of a Democrat in the Senate who I trust more either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 23 points 8 months ago (1 child) Maybe Ron Wyden? Please correct me if he's done something awful but he's one of only a few members of congress I've seen consistently push for our privacy rights. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 10 points 8 months ago Please correct me if he's done something awful Not to my knowledge. We can keep him on the nice list... For now permalink fedilink source parent [–] beetus@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (5 children) frankly I struggle to think of a Democrat in the Senate who I trust more either. ...what? Do you believe Bernie Sanders lacks integrity (maybe you're splitting hairs on "Democrat")? Elizabeth Warren? Mark Kelley? Idk, this seems like a poor attempt to "both sides" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 19 points 8 months ago (4 children) Bernie is an Independent. Warren helped the DNC derail Bernie's presidential run which definitely lost her points in my book. Kelley seems like a straight shooter. So, we got one. Your comment seems like a poor attempt to put me in a box because I said a positive thing about a Republican. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] beetus@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago* (3 children) Fair enough. I'm struggling with the constant attempts to pin the blame of trump on the Dems not being enough while also projecting various purity tests on the party. I respect that you weren't doing that, sorry. The dem party has a lot to improve on as whole and specifically with leadership. I also want anything better than Trump and I'm willing to settle, for now, on good enough. I wrongly interpreted your message as another attempt to wedge the party permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 10 points 8 months ago It was very big of you to concede the point and I appreciate your willingness to engage with nuance! I do think the Dems are less bad than the (Fascist) Republicans, but I don't excuse their lack of serious resistance. Hopefully we can find a way to dislodge the corrupt and sociopathic leaders of both parties and build a system that actually works for us some day. And yes, MAGA is a special brand of evil that I do not consider to be part of the "both sides" paradigm. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 4 points 8 months ago (1 child) I can say I agreed with the first half of his statement but rand paul is kinds the best of the worst to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago The other Libertarian, Massie, ranks a bit higher, if only for Junkyard Wars. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 23 points 8 months ago (1 child) Maybe Ron Wyden? Please correct me if he's done something awful but he's one of only a few members of congress I've seen consistently push for our privacy rights. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 10 points 8 months ago Please correct me if he's done something awful Not to my knowledge. We can keep him on the nice list... For now permalink fedilink source parent
[–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 10 points 8 months ago Please correct me if he's done something awful Not to my knowledge. We can keep him on the nice list... For now permalink fedilink source parent
[–] beetus@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (5 children) frankly I struggle to think of a Democrat in the Senate who I trust more either. ...what? Do you believe Bernie Sanders lacks integrity (maybe you're splitting hairs on "Democrat")? Elizabeth Warren? Mark Kelley? Idk, this seems like a poor attempt to "both sides" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 19 points 8 months ago (4 children) Bernie is an Independent. Warren helped the DNC derail Bernie's presidential run which definitely lost her points in my book. Kelley seems like a straight shooter. So, we got one. Your comment seems like a poor attempt to put me in a box because I said a positive thing about a Republican. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] beetus@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago* (3 children) Fair enough. I'm struggling with the constant attempts to pin the blame of trump on the Dems not being enough while also projecting various purity tests on the party. I respect that you weren't doing that, sorry. The dem party has a lot to improve on as whole and specifically with leadership. I also want anything better than Trump and I'm willing to settle, for now, on good enough. I wrongly interpreted your message as another attempt to wedge the party permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 10 points 8 months ago It was very big of you to concede the point and I appreciate your willingness to engage with nuance! I do think the Dems are less bad than the (Fascist) Republicans, but I don't excuse their lack of serious resistance. Hopefully we can find a way to dislodge the corrupt and sociopathic leaders of both parties and build a system that actually works for us some day. And yes, MAGA is a special brand of evil that I do not consider to be part of the "both sides" paradigm. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 4 points 8 months ago (1 child) I can say I agreed with the first half of his statement but rand paul is kinds the best of the worst to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago The other Libertarian, Massie, ranks a bit higher, if only for Junkyard Wars. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 19 points 8 months ago (4 children) Bernie is an Independent. Warren helped the DNC derail Bernie's presidential run which definitely lost her points in my book. Kelley seems like a straight shooter. So, we got one. Your comment seems like a poor attempt to put me in a box because I said a positive thing about a Republican. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] beetus@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago* (3 children) Fair enough. I'm struggling with the constant attempts to pin the blame of trump on the Dems not being enough while also projecting various purity tests on the party. I respect that you weren't doing that, sorry. The dem party has a lot to improve on as whole and specifically with leadership. I also want anything better than Trump and I'm willing to settle, for now, on good enough. I wrongly interpreted your message as another attempt to wedge the party permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 10 points 8 months ago It was very big of you to concede the point and I appreciate your willingness to engage with nuance! I do think the Dems are less bad than the (Fascist) Republicans, but I don't excuse their lack of serious resistance. Hopefully we can find a way to dislodge the corrupt and sociopathic leaders of both parties and build a system that actually works for us some day. And yes, MAGA is a special brand of evil that I do not consider to be part of the "both sides" paradigm. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 4 points 8 months ago (1 child) I can say I agreed with the first half of his statement but rand paul is kinds the best of the worst to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago The other Libertarian, Massie, ranks a bit higher, if only for Junkyard Wars. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] beetus@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago* (3 children) Fair enough. I'm struggling with the constant attempts to pin the blame of trump on the Dems not being enough while also projecting various purity tests on the party. I respect that you weren't doing that, sorry. The dem party has a lot to improve on as whole and specifically with leadership. I also want anything better than Trump and I'm willing to settle, for now, on good enough. I wrongly interpreted your message as another attempt to wedge the party permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 10 points 8 months ago It was very big of you to concede the point and I appreciate your willingness to engage with nuance! I do think the Dems are less bad than the (Fascist) Republicans, but I don't excuse their lack of serious resistance. Hopefully we can find a way to dislodge the corrupt and sociopathic leaders of both parties and build a system that actually works for us some day. And yes, MAGA is a special brand of evil that I do not consider to be part of the "both sides" paradigm. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HubertManne@piefed.social 4 points 8 months ago (1 child) I can say I agreed with the first half of his statement but rand paul is kinds the best of the worst to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago The other Libertarian, Massie, ranks a bit higher, if only for Junkyard Wars. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 10 points 8 months ago It was very big of you to concede the point and I appreciate your willingness to engage with nuance! I do think the Dems are less bad than the (Fascist) Republicans, but I don't excuse their lack of serious resistance. Hopefully we can find a way to dislodge the corrupt and sociopathic leaders of both parties and build a system that actually works for us some day. And yes, MAGA is a special brand of evil that I do not consider to be part of the "both sides" paradigm. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 4 points 8 months ago (1 child) I can say I agreed with the first half of his statement but rand paul is kinds the best of the worst to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago The other Libertarian, Massie, ranks a bit higher, if only for Junkyard Wars. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 1 point 8 months ago The other Libertarian, Massie, ranks a bit higher, if only for Junkyard Wars. permalink fedilink source parent