▲ 66 ▼ [Video] Hasan Piker says he will vote 3rd party if the Democrats run an establishment candidate in 2028 (files.catbox.moe) submitted 9 months ago by IndustryStandard@lemmy.world to c/progressivepolitics@lemmy.world 132 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] UsernameHere@lemmy.world -11 points 9 months ago (5 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 21 points 9 months ago (2 children) Not at all. Democrats literally did not hold a primary in 2024 because the establishment would be crushed by non establishment candidates and they knew it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 9 months ago* (1 child) No, they didn't hold a primary because they had the incumbent advantage. You don't weaken your own incumbent candidate by running people against them in the primary. That's basic electoral politics. Same reason they didn't have a primary in 2012. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] butwhyishischinabook@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago If you really don't see how 2024 was different given that Biden ran as a bridge candidate who wouldn't seek a second term then there is literally nothing that the party could do that you wouldn't mindlessly defend. permalink fedilink source parent [–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 4 points 9 months ago The answer to this isn't to throw up our hands and give up, it's to get more voters to come over to the left. permalink fedilink source parent [+] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone -8 points 9 months ago* Exactly. Terminally online leftists who believe they're a far more powerful and influential bloc than they are (especially since they never fucking vote in primaries and only start whining during general elections) think that Democrats need to pander to them 100% of the time, and they lose when they do not. They have no fucking idea how politics in the real world actually works. Had the Democratic party courted their votes the way they demand, the Democrats would have received fewer votes. I'm confident of this. Not only would so many of these people still stayed home because it's never perfect enough for them, they would have lost a shit ton of centrist voters. AIPAC is powerful for a reason. Unfortunately, there are tons of people in this country that are only just now beginning to come around on Israel. And those people vote every fucking time. Millions of people that voted D would have stayed home had Harris came out strong against Israel, and hardly any leftists would be convinced to get off their ass or vote for anyone but third party. Sucks that this is how it is, but this is first past the post in a nation full of politically illiterate morons permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 21 points 9 months ago (2 children) Not at all. Democrats literally did not hold a primary in 2024 because the establishment would be crushed by non establishment candidates and they knew it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 9 months ago* (1 child) No, they didn't hold a primary because they had the incumbent advantage. You don't weaken your own incumbent candidate by running people against them in the primary. That's basic electoral politics. Same reason they didn't have a primary in 2012. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] butwhyishischinabook@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago If you really don't see how 2024 was different given that Biden ran as a bridge candidate who wouldn't seek a second term then there is literally nothing that the party could do that you wouldn't mindlessly defend. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 9 months ago* (1 child) No, they didn't hold a primary because they had the incumbent advantage. You don't weaken your own incumbent candidate by running people against them in the primary. That's basic electoral politics. Same reason they didn't have a primary in 2012. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] butwhyishischinabook@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago If you really don't see how 2024 was different given that Biden ran as a bridge candidate who wouldn't seek a second term then there is literally nothing that the party could do that you wouldn't mindlessly defend. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] butwhyishischinabook@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago If you really don't see how 2024 was different given that Biden ran as a bridge candidate who wouldn't seek a second term then there is literally nothing that the party could do that you wouldn't mindlessly defend. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 4 points 9 months ago The answer to this isn't to throw up our hands and give up, it's to get more voters to come over to the left. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone -8 points 9 months ago* Exactly. Terminally online leftists who believe they're a far more powerful and influential bloc than they are (especially since they never fucking vote in primaries and only start whining during general elections) think that Democrats need to pander to them 100% of the time, and they lose when they do not. They have no fucking idea how politics in the real world actually works. Had the Democratic party courted their votes the way they demand, the Democrats would have received fewer votes. I'm confident of this. Not only would so many of these people still stayed home because it's never perfect enough for them, they would have lost a shit ton of centrist voters. AIPAC is powerful for a reason. Unfortunately, there are tons of people in this country that are only just now beginning to come around on Israel. And those people vote every fucking time. Millions of people that voted D would have stayed home had Harris came out strong against Israel, and hardly any leftists would be convinced to get off their ass or vote for anyone but third party. Sucks that this is how it is, but this is first past the post in a nation full of politically illiterate morons permalink fedilink source parent